POPS VA
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Unbelievable. I truely hope an appeal is forthcoming.
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The Tale of Henrico - Chapter 2 in a Ferry Tale - Arrested for following the law
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jhfc
Regular Member
There is a note in red at the top of screen shot that says the case was appealed on 6/26.
thedevilrobyjohn
Regular Member
eyes open
Im actually scared now..6 months in jail. My family would be destroyed. Im sorry for him and his family...words arent enough.
Im actually scared now..6 months in jail. My family would be destroyed. Im sorry for him and his family...words arent enough.
POPS VA
Regular Member
Thanks, I missed that. Can we contrbute for the appeal on the site Grapeshot originally posted?
I am ready and willing as I know many here are.
POPS VA
Regular Member
Disregard my previous question, the site is still able to take donations for scouser. Donation sent along with my prayers.
sidestreet
Regular Member
MHO only...,
but there was so much wrong with this "procedure" today that I don't/wouldn't know where to begin. I will say that testimony I heard today was truly incredible, as in not to be believed, unable to be believed, sometimes so comical as to elicit laughs and snickers from the court room observers. I thought I was listening to "Sheldon Cooper" from "Big Bang Theory" testify. Not wanting to screw up the rest of the day or any further "proceedings", I'm not saying anything for awhile except that I could have sworn the "Railroad" station was a few blocks down on Staples Mill Road, not at Parham and Springfield. I guess it just depends on if you want to take a ride or be taken for a ride.
More aid on the way User, via snail mail.
sidetsreet
Jeremiah 29 vs. 11-13
we are not equal, we will never be equal, but we must be relentless.
but there was so much wrong with this "procedure" today that I don't/wouldn't know where to begin. I will say that testimony I heard today was truly incredible, as in not to be believed, unable to be believed, sometimes so comical as to elicit laughs and snickers from the court room observers. I thought I was listening to "Sheldon Cooper" from "Big Bang Theory" testify. Not wanting to screw up the rest of the day or any further "proceedings", I'm not saying anything for awhile except that I could have sworn the "Railroad" station was a few blocks down on Staples Mill Road, not at Parham and Springfield. I guess it just depends on if you want to take a ride or be taken for a ride.
More aid on the way User, via snail mail.
sidetsreet
Jeremiah 29 vs. 11-13
we are not equal, we will never be equal, but we must be relentless.
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You don't need grounds to appeal to Circuit Marshaul. GD is a court not of record so an appeal is granted just to get it to a court of record.
Yes, the appeal was noted and an appeal bond posted although there was a screw up there too. The Judge was really out of his pay grade.
hafnhaf
Regular Member
this whole mess is really asinine. half-a-dozen different stories. no threat. pitiful! 25 bux on the way! wish it could be more...
btw, my wife and i were at the meet-up at bellisimos a couple of months ago. i am still trying to get two more venues up this way for OC lunches.
btw, my wife and i were at the meet-up at bellisimos a couple of months ago. i am still trying to get two more venues up this way for OC lunches.
va_tazdad
Regular Member
I cannot be as eloquent as you and Sidestreet
The judge was obviously prejudiced against the defendant (very anti-gun) and in way over his head from the start. His actions during the “trial” while Scouser was testifying should make anyone wary of being in his kangaroo court. (Unless you are driving without a license and don't speak English)
I know Dan will have much more success with a real judge and jury. It just saddens me that Scouser and his family have to continue dealing with the lies the judge allowed to be spewed by the C/A and the bus driver.
The judge was obviously prejudiced against the defendant (very anti-gun) and in way over his head from the start. His actions during the “trial” while Scouser was testifying should make anyone wary of being in his kangaroo court. (Unless you are driving without a license and don't speak English)
I know Dan will have much more success with a real judge and jury. It just saddens me that Scouser and his family have to continue dealing with the lies the judge allowed to be spewed by the C/A and the bus driver.
speed41ae
Regular Member
People that were not even involved in the case were shocked and upset by the verdict. A lawyer sitting next to me was so shocked that a deputy had to quite him down. The judge did not listen to Scouser's testimony and read during it or just seemed bored by it. The judge was not interested in anyone unless they plead guilty or had a prearranged plea deal setup.
There were people in the courtroom that were shocked at the court's disregard/disinterest in the defense presentation of facts. If I didn't know better, I'd say the case was tried and punishment set before court was ever called to order this morning. We have a travesty of justice that will NOT go unanswered.
My personal observation: Henrico doesn't like LAC with guns, makes it as difficult for them as possible and will make them spend time & money to defend their good name. There is apparently no innocent until proven guilty - if you are charged then you must be guilty and they will find a way.........even if not supported by the facts.
Yes there is going to be an appeal and I fully expect the outcome to be very, very different.
To answer the question - yes the request for donations/contributions is active - more so than ever now.
Payable to:
Virginia Legal Defense
P.O. Box 100
Broad Run, VA 20137
Please foot note: For Graham C.
or
My personal observation: Henrico doesn't like LAC with guns, makes it as difficult for them as possible and will make them spend time & money to defend their good name. There is apparently no innocent until proven guilty - if you are charged then you must be guilty and they will find a way.........even if not supported by the facts.
Yes there is going to be an appeal and I fully expect the outcome to be very, very different.
To answer the question - yes the request for donations/contributions is active - more so than ever now.
Payable to:
Virginia Legal Defense
P.O. Box 100
Broad Run, VA 20137
Please foot note: For Graham C.
or
TFred
Regular Member
Flabbergasted beyond words at this point.
All I can think to say is thank goodness for all the supporters who were able to fund a court recorder, so that this outrage can be corrected.
I take great comfort that all this evidence will be preserved for the subsequent civil litigation.
TFred
All I can think to say is thank goodness for all the supporters who were able to fund a court recorder, so that this outrage can be corrected.
I take great comfort that all this evidence will be preserved for the subsequent civil litigation.
TFred
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I'm still not able to do this calmly, so
just the highlights:
Guilty. 12 months with 6 months suspended on condition of good behavior for 3 years.
Supposedly the original bond and bond conditions (the ones that were in effect this morning as scouser entered the courthouse) were to be imposed. That was a personal recognizance bond for $1,000, plus the bond to cover the costs of the appeal trial. Additional conditions not even imposed before trial were "added" just for grins and giggles (I'm guessing on the reason they were added).
Nope! Judge managed to screw that up beyound all recognition, if you know what I mean. The courthouse ATM has hit multiple times to get enough cash to meet his release bond. Folks at the Magistrate's office and in the Sheriff's office were bound and determined to take their lunch break, so what should have been a 15-minute process of handing over the bond cash and getting him released turned into a multi-hour interlude. Return contacts with the court will be necessary to straighten out the
Notice of appeal was filed before he got released. Now not only does NSA have records of all his cell phone calls but it's highly likely his phone was forensically examined/copied while he was being processed. (Hote/hint - do not ask for your phone from whoever is holding it if you are going to be processed/booked. Take a paper list of important phone numbers because you will not be allowed to use your cell phone anyway. They can get away with it and they will do it just because everybody loves to go fishing.)
We may have been able to find a temporary job for scouser. Seems a conviction for brandishing makes getting a CDL-driver job a bit difficult. It it comes through it will not be as glamerous or pay as much as driving the big rigs but it should keep him and the family from being kicked out into the street.
Now the real work begins. It should never have gotten this far, but the fact is this is where scouser is at the moment. About the only good thing I can think of at the moment is he is at home with wife and son instead of deciding if he wants his hacksaw in a chocolate or yellow cake.
On a personal note - I am pissed. At least the reaming I went through down in Surry was because they wanted to screw me over for having committed contempt of cop. What happened today was "if you are here in court you must be guilty" as demonstrated by a judge who did not bother to pay attention, except when he ruled "that has nothing to do with it" even though the Commonwealth Attorney had not voiced an objection. Well, that and the fact that the big taxpayers in the county need to be protected.
Rest for now if I can, then back to the grindstone tomorrow. It's merely a delay, not a defeat. That and it opens up all sorts of possibilities to really rip a few new ones.
Thank you to all who helped get us to the courthouse today. Unfortunately, scouser is going to need help again getting back to the courthouse for a real trial where he will have an honest chance to present his case and be found not guilty. When your grandchildren ask "What did you do when scouser got railroaded, granddad?", you will be able to say "I stood up beside him to get justice."
stay safe.
just the highlights:
Guilty. 12 months with 6 months suspended on condition of good behavior for 3 years.
Supposedly the original bond and bond conditions (the ones that were in effect this morning as scouser entered the courthouse) were to be imposed. That was a personal recognizance bond for $1,000, plus the bond to cover the costs of the appeal trial. Additional conditions not even imposed before trial were "added" just for grins and giggles (I'm guessing on the reason they were added).
Nope! Judge managed to screw that up beyound all recognition, if you know what I mean. The courthouse ATM has hit multiple times to get enough cash to meet his release bond. Folks at the Magistrate's office and in the Sheriff's office were bound and determined to take their lunch break, so what should have been a 15-minute process of handing over the bond cash and getting him released turned into a multi-hour interlude. Return contacts with the court will be necessary to straighten out the
Notice of appeal was filed before he got released. Now not only does NSA have records of all his cell phone calls but it's highly likely his phone was forensically examined/copied while he was being processed. (Hote/hint - do not ask for your phone from whoever is holding it if you are going to be processed/booked. Take a paper list of important phone numbers because you will not be allowed to use your cell phone anyway. They can get away with it and they will do it just because everybody loves to go fishing.)
We may have been able to find a temporary job for scouser. Seems a conviction for brandishing makes getting a CDL-driver job a bit difficult. It it comes through it will not be as glamerous or pay as much as driving the big rigs but it should keep him and the family from being kicked out into the street.
Now the real work begins. It should never have gotten this far, but the fact is this is where scouser is at the moment. About the only good thing I can think of at the moment is he is at home with wife and son instead of deciding if he wants his hacksaw in a chocolate or yellow cake.
On a personal note - I am pissed. At least the reaming I went through down in Surry was because they wanted to screw me over for having committed contempt of cop. What happened today was "if you are here in court you must be guilty" as demonstrated by a judge who did not bother to pay attention, except when he ruled "that has nothing to do with it" even though the Commonwealth Attorney had not voiced an objection. Well, that and the fact that the big taxpayers in the county need to be protected.
Rest for now if I can, then back to the grindstone tomorrow. It's merely a delay, not a defeat. That and it opens up all sorts of possibilities to really rip a few new ones.
Thank you to all who helped get us to the courthouse today. Unfortunately, scouser is going to need help again getting back to the courthouse for a real trial where he will have an honest chance to present his case and be found not guilty. When your grandchildren ask "What did you do when scouser got railroaded, granddad?", you will be able to say "I stood up beside him to get justice."
stay safe.
77zach
Regular Member
$25 sent.
I hope the judge, cop, and school bus driver get eaten by cancer. Will give more later, especially if their is a lawsuit against them.
I hope the judge, cop, and school bus driver get eaten by cancer. Will give more later, especially if their is a lawsuit against them.
I wanted to post this separately -
Every person that stopped to talk with scouser's supporters after we got outside the courtroom (not going to say "after the trial" because IMHO he did not get one) used the same word in describing the complainant school bus driver -
Pretentious.
That's a pretty big word, and I was frankly amazed that some of those folks used words that big. But when you get not consensus but a unanimous vote on his character, you can pretty much be sure the nail was hit squarely on the head.
stay safe.
Every person that stopped to talk with scouser's supporters after we got outside the courtroom (not going to say "after the trial" because IMHO he did not get one) used the same word in describing the complainant school bus driver -
Pretentious.
That's a pretty big word, and I was frankly amazed that some of those folks used words that big. But when you get not consensus but a unanimous vote on his character, you can pretty much be sure the nail was hit squarely on the head.
stay safe.
BB62
Accomplished Advocate
Would it be possible/worthwhile to file suit personally against what appears to be a lying bus driver?
HeroHog
Regular Member
Unbelievable, unconscionable, undeserved.
I can't say more without breaking the law or making what could be construed as threats... :cuss::banghead:
I can't say more without breaking the law or making what could be construed as threats... :cuss::banghead:
Too soon for such potential considerations.
First the appeal where Scouser will get an impartial hearing by a jury of his peers. Then perhaps some compensation for the damage to his reputation and other actual losses. Punative award? - Would hope so.
Scouser has a loving family, a child that clearly adores him. They all need each other right now and we will be there to help in any way that we can.
Surry learned that when you falsely accuse one of us, you gain the attention of many. Henrico must not have gotten that memo - These people just don't quit, they won't take the easy way out and abandon one of there own.
There is right and there is wrong and this entire thing stinks of "Not from around here? Well you are in trouble then ain'tcha? We are gonna make an example out of you, ya hear."
builtjeep
Regular Member
Telling multiple conflicting stories under oath, i thought three was a word for that....I believe it's perjury.....