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Vacation time.

RK3369

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SC law and updates

here's a link to current law and recent updates. One recent change allows CC into restaurants selling alcohol, but can't consume and can't carry if there are compliant signs at the entrances. You may find some places in Myrtle Beach with compliant signs and some without. Compliant signs are subject to strict size and print requirements but, if an establishment is posting and the sign is not compliant, why bother to go in to begin with? Just gets you off the hook if they find you are carrying, ask you to leave, you don't leave, and then they can call police. You have not violated the law if the signs are not compliant, but who wants all that hassle to begin with. Just go somewhere else, imo. Have fun and spend lots of money. Out economy needs it.


http://www.sled.sc.gov/SCStateGunLaws1.aspx?MenuID=CWP
 

Sir Diealotz

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here's a link to current law and recent updates. One recent change allows CC into restaurants selling alcohol, but can't consume and can't carry if there are compliant signs at the entrances. You may find some places in Myrtle Beach with compliant signs and some without. Compliant signs are subject to strict size and print requirements but, if an establishment is posting and the sign is not compliant, why bother to go in to begin with? Just gets you off the hook if they find you are carrying, ask you to leave, you don't leave, and then they can call police. You have not violated the law if the signs are not compliant, but who wants all that hassle to begin with. Just go somewhere else, imo. Have fun and spend lots of money. Out economy needs it.


http://www.sled.sc.gov/SCStateGunLaws1.aspx?MenuID=CWP
Outstanding. Been a few years since we vacationed at Myrtle Beach and I could not CC in restaurants. Glad the law has been changed.
 

RK3369

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yes, as they say........"size matters"...........

but I think the legal verbage is just an effort to allow a safe harbor to a permit holder who carries in and is asked to leave by an owner and subsequently refuses. I guess it takes the legal edge off the owners ability to force prosecution in that case, assuming he doesn't agree with carry in general to begin with. IOW, if the signs are not strictly compliant, then an owner has no legal basis to require police to charge a crime against a permit holder who carries into the premesis which, in essence, gives the permit holder much more latitude than the property owner. My earlier point was, even if the signs are not compliant, the owner has already said they don't believe in carry to begin with, so why give them any of your money?

I'd just go somewhere else and kindly let them know that they also are advertising to all the neighborhood criminals that they are a gun free zone so, what the heck, if you're going to rob the place, probably nobody's going to stand in your way.


note, the size requirements are 8 x 12, not 8 1/2 x 11 as in standard letter size copy paper. Thus, you can't post copied signs. You have to go to the expense of having signs made by someone who actually creates a legal size poster, not a copied facsimile. Again, more latitude for the permit holder and more hassle for the owner who doesn't want to allow carry but, what the heck, if they want to interfere with self defense, they should have to go through a little hassle to do so.
 
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RK3369

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exactly..........

No. In particular, the size requirement was intended and designed to prevent cheap gun grabbers from running a gunbuster through a Xerox and distributing them - as the South Carolina Chamber of Commerce did, along with some song dance about liability.
my point about size requirements,,, 8 x 12 not 8.5 x 11 which is typical copy paper size. Thus you can't put up copies of the correct signs and say they are legal, they have to be 8 x 12 or they are not legal. I would agree that the requirement was designed to prevent easy and cheap distribution of signs, as in copied signs, but it also serves to give some legal wiggle room to carriers who just happen to end up in the wrong place at the wrong time. For example, years back New York passed a law regarding trespassing on private property for hunting purposes. In general , if a landowner posted his land with "proper" no trespassing signs, they had the legal basis to prosecute someone for trespass. But the signs had to be affixed to posts, put in the ground not more than 500 yards apart at a certain height, signed by the landowner with his name and address, yada, yada, yada, or they were not legally enforceable. If you trespassed on posted property, you always had the defense that the posting was not in the appropriate form so as to make the charges enforceable in a court of law. As a practical matter, I you trespassed on posted land, you were probably going to end up in a hassle with the landowner anyhow, but the charges wouldn't stick in court. Same thing here. Signs have to be compliant to be enforceable. Making the size requirement something that was not easily reproduceable was probably intended so as to prevent easily mustering a lot of fake sinage everywhere.
 
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skidmark

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Newarkistan, SPRNJ.

I know it's not fair to all of the folks there. The city has done a decent job of pulling most of itself up out of the swamp.

I always wonder why cities tolerate this sort of stuff. Not saying they need to make everybody hang their guns on the fence as they come into town (see Dean Martin in "Rio Bravo" to see how it's done). But there are ways to respond that do not trample on everybody's 4A rights.

stay safe.
 

MSG Laigaie

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I will be coming to Myrtle Beach next week for a week. What are the three main things I should pay attention to when I conceal carry with my West Virginia license.
Why is it, and I have asked myself this question before, that people who conceal, come to an obvious Open Carry site, to ask how/where to conceal carry. Are "CC' sites unfriendly? Are OCers smarter? Do we have better access to the laws? Not complaining about it, I see it as "Coming into the (OC) Light".

Tis odd tho.
 
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Sir Diealotz

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Just returned from Myrtle Beach. Did not see any of the new signs and only saw one faded and out dated small gun buster sign on a hotel door.

Lots of sun, sand and surf. Can't wait to go back next year...
 
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