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Woman accidentally shot during citizen police academy (citizen patrol) training

Va_Nemo

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One of those cops used to the new semiautos and thats all. Probably pulled a round from under the hammer in the revolver and figured it was safe.

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did Ms knowlton get hit with an actual bullet or blank ammo residue? do not believe they have released that tidbit

ipse

Good question.

I recall a visiting an "old west cowboy" attraction when I was a kid. Maybe Knottsberry Farms--can't recall. They had an Old West duel in the dirt street a few times a day. The actors made sure to stand a long ways apart with those blanks. The reason was apparent--even to an 8-year old--when walking up to the "jail." Tacked up on the wall on each side of the jail door was a soda can penetrated by a blank cartridge.

Note to Self: If ever involved in a police simulation at a Citizen Academy, insist on checking the loaded ammunition personally right before the simulation. Also, insist on a demonstration of the damage caused by those exact blanks--say a soda can, Styrofoam coffee cup, etc. And, insist on body armor. If denied or criticized by even so much as a sour glance, walk away without comment or explanation. Better yet, don't participate.
 

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What in the hell was a functioning firearm used in force on force training.? Everybody should be fired that was involved, and the supervisors that allowed this fiasco.

Training guns is not a new concept, it has been around for decades, complete idiots.

New readers should understand: the quoted opinion comes from somebody who really is in a position (by way of experience) to make the quoted judgment.

Certainly, I will take proffered opinion. Without further reservation.

Done deal. Thanks for chiming in, WW.
 

Grapeshot

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Good question.

I recall a visiting an "old west cowboy" attraction when I was a kid. Maybe Knottsberry Farms--can't recall. They had an Old West duel in the dirt street a few times a day. The actors made sure to stand a long ways apart with those blanks. The reason was apparent--even to an 8-year old--when walking up to the "jail." Tacked up on the wall on each side of the jail door was a soda can penetrated by a blank cartridge.

Note to Self: If ever involved in a police simulation at a Citizen Academy, insist on checking the loaded ammunition personally right before the simulation. Also, insist on a demonstration of the damage caused by those exact blanks--say a soda can, Styrofoam coffee cup, etc. And, insist on body armor. If denied or criticized by even so much as a sour glance, walk away without comment or explanation. Better yet, don't participate.
In so doing, you could be denying your heirs the opportunity for a civil suit. :p
 

davidmcbeth

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What in the hell was a functioning firearm used in force on force training.? Everybody should be fired that was involved, and the supervisors that allowed this fiasco.

Training guns is not a new concept, it has been around for decades, complete idiots.

I don't think that the folks at that agency are any different than at any other agency.

Everyone should be fired. But as .govs they believe that they have a right to work there.
 

OC for ME

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Good question.

I recall a visiting an "old west cowboy" attraction when I was a kid. Maybe Knottsberry Farms--can't recall. They had an Old West duel in the dirt street a few times a day. The actors made sure to stand a long ways apart with those blanks. The reason was apparent--even to an 8-year old--when walking up to the "jail." Tacked up on the wall on each side of the jail door was a soda can penetrated by a blank cartridge.

Note to Self: If ever involved in a police simulation at a Citizen Academy, insist on checking the loaded ammunition personally right before the simulation. Also, insist on a demonstration of the damage caused by those exact blanks--say a soda can, Styrofoam coffee cup, etc. And, insist on body armor. If denied or criticized by even so much as a sour glance, walk away without comment or explanation. Better yet, don't participate.
:eek:

Citizen: Do you mind if I check to be sure that the firearm is either a harmless simulated firearm, or that if a real firearm, that no live ammunition or blanks are loaded...thanks, appreciate your help.
Cop(s): HOW DARE YOU!!!...YOU YOU SURF!!! TURN AROUND AND PUT YOUR HAND ON YOUR HEAD...NOW SCUM BAG!!!
 

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now there are three commentaries on the subject...
1. The Social Lounge Have an accidental discharge and they want to convict you of something?
2. The Social Lounge Woman accidentally shot during citizen police academy (citizen patrol) training
3. The States Florida Punta Gorda Police: Woman shot, killed at Citizens Academy

slow day eh?

ipse

The two threads are now merged.

just saying...:eek:

ipse
 

Grapeshot

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now there are three commentaries on the subject...
1. The Social Lounge Have an accidental discharge and they want to convict you of something?
2. The Social Lounge Woman accidentally shot during citizen police academy (citizen patrol) training
3. The States Florida Punta Gorda Police: Woman shot, killed at Citizens Academy

slow day eh?

ipse

The two threads are now merged.

just saying...:eek:

ipse
#1 is generic

#2 not found

#3 merged from 2 threads in the Florida sub-forum.
 

davidmcbeth

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The two threads are now merged.

Sometimes I'll write and post a new thread in seconds ... sometimes hours ... so sometimes I would expect new news to have duplicate posts and one person writing cannot see other posts until after hitting the magic button.

I'm sure you know this....for benefit of others why 2 folks might post something relating to a single incident.

Everybody merge....:D
 

Grapeshot

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Sometimes I'll write and post a new thread in seconds ... sometimes hours ... so sometimes I would expect new news to have duplicate posts and one person writing cannot see other posts until after hitting the magic button.

I'm sure you know this....for benefit of others why 2 folks might post something relating to a single incident.

Everybody merge....:D
 

OC for ME

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The husband of a woman shot dead in front of 34 people in a police role play exercise gone wrong has recalled the horrifying moment his wife was killed.
Officer Lee Coel, 28, shot retired librarian Mary Knowlton by 'mistake' during the demonstration in Punta Gorda, Florida, on Tuesday night.

Mrs Knowlton's husband, Gary, said the 73-year-old mother had 'volunteered to be the victim in the mock shooting' that took her life.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rrifying-moment-wife-killed-cop-Lee-Coel.html
Funeral reported as having took place on 8/16/16.

Mot a peep from the cops...
 
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