You are mistaken. The Puyallup fairgrounds is not publiclally owned it is private property.
http://www.thefair.com/utility/about-us/board_management.php
(directed toward LkWd_Don)
If that is truly the case, I apologize for my thinking the Fairgrounds are owned & operated by the State. And with the post by SpyderTattoo further down both insisting that WAC was simply abiding by the rules they had to agree to and were applying accordingly to their customers, that now gives me something more to consider.
Meaning, as to.. "if" I ever wish to fund or refuse funding the Western Washington Fairgrounds (TheFair.com) the same way as I refuse to provide patronage to others who would infringe upon, abridge, deny or otherwise disparage my rights under either the State or Federal Constitutions.
When I can prove what has been said for myself, (most likely after contacting the management at TheFair.com), you can rest assured that I will be disseminating what information I gather, to all that I know who are of like mind-sets.
Then I was berated again and had to post the following!
I know I already acknowledged this, but I was mistaken about it being State property. There should be no further need for me to capitulate in that regard.
I have however, done some research and see that there are those who have told me I am wrong, that are grossly mistaken.
Rather than make accusations, I will post a few links and allow folks to read for themselves. I challenge anyone to find in any of these documents, where the Management of the Puyallup Fair in any way restricts firearms from their facilities.
Fair Facility Rental Handbook dtd: January 2011
http://www.thefair.com/_assets/edit...AE6F57FDEA55_FacilityRentalHandbook_Jan11.pdf
Fair Fire and Safety Requirements handbook Revised December 2008
http://www.thefair.com/_assets/edit...4A7E9F8CF95862A5927768_SafetyRequirements.pdf
Washington State Fairs By-Laws
http://wastatefairs.com/index_files/bylaws.pdf
Then rather than anyone owning up to either not knowing the real reason or telling me that they were not members of WAC, I was bombarded with rationalizations and suggestions that did not take into account my knowledge or background. Just as a bit of background on me, of my three handguns, two were purchased at Gun Shows, one of them here in Washington State and the third was a purchase new at LEEDS in Tacoma. Some of you may recognize me if you ever actually meet me, but I will say that such a meeting will not occur at a WAC sponsored event.
Maybe you should spend some time there, volunteering at the OC table. You might see some mishandled firearms. As I've said before, I have been a member for 17 years and worked there for 2 years. I've seen a massive ammount of mishandled firearms.
Here I was told by at least one person of being a member of WAC, yet in a later post the poster claimed that I was not talking to WAC members. So are you now telling me that dishonesty when there is never a good reason to be, is NOT being RUDE as well as being dishonest?
So, you're upset that you didn't find the WAC rules on an ad you saw on another website?
And what was it that I said that prompted the personal attack? I simply said that you should volunteer at the OC table. There are many reasons to do this. It's fun to talk to people face to face and educate them about OC. You also have a better chance to see how many people do not handle their firearms safely. Any of the guys that have worked the OC table or other tables there know what I'm talking about.
My response to you wasn't rude in any way and your attitude here isn't appreciated. You're new around here and probably haven't gone through what a lot of us have gone through in the last few years regarding open carry. This subject has been argued here many times before, and frankly, we're all tired of this subject coming up. You have your opinions and that's fine. Respect our opinions. We've tried to explain our reasoning to you but it's not what you want to hear, so lets just drop it.
WAC is an organization that facilitates gun-lovers to come together and exchange goods and ideas. WAC isn't violating anyone's rights, it's anyone's choice to go to the shows or not. Walk a mile in our shoes before passing such judgement.
I hope you have a better day, it seems like you're a bitter person. I think if you were to meet us in person you would have a different attitude and see that we're not the bad guys.
I have never hidden the fact that I was asking WHY WAC could not insure that EVERYWHERE they advertised, that they could not have insured their rules were clearly understood upfront! Said another way, as they are a Non-Profit and with them expecting to charge Money for entrance to a show.. Then the TRUTH IN ADVERTISING LAWS APPLY!
Would WAC prefer I bring this to their attention informally in a forum such as this or formally via action in a court of law? And could they afford that type of action?
If WAC is really a place for gun-lovers to come together and exchange GOODS and ideas, then why do they restrict the exchange of goods to members only? I perceive this as being little more than propaganda or a copy/paste statement from their Articles of Incorporation.
My problem isn't with individuals as the comment of
"I hope you have a better day, it seems like you're a bitter person. I think if you were to meet us in person you would have a different attitude and see that we're not the bad guys" assumes. My problem is with the WAC and how it is being managed.
As for someones suggestion that I contact WAC directly and voice my concerns. I did that three years ago when I was inquiring why they do not offer a Military Discount for entrance to their events. I was rudely ignored then as I never got a response, so I consider that as just being another completely RUDE suggestion.
Interesting!
Now to go over a couple other things. Yes..
I was mistaken in my belief that the Western Washington State Fair Grounds belonged to the State, I was corrected, I apologized!
My nose was rubbed in that the fact that I was mistaken? Is that not RUDE?
I have admitted to mistakes!
I have told another who thought that he was responsible for MY actions and apologizing for me, that He had no reason to apologize!
Meaning that I have taken responsibility for my Words! It also shows that I have apologized for my own Actions!
Who else other than fire suppressor, has even come close to being as adult and accepting responsibility of their own words/acts?
