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    Cops Will Use Your Posts

    All,

    Some of you are aware of my open lawsuit against Lincoln County Sheriff's Dept in Wyoming. I decided to post the audio/video on here and Youtube to keep everyone informed, clear up some errors in the newspaper reporting, and find a few local allies. Success all around.

    Just keep in mind that all of these things show up on Google searches and whatnot. As part of the defense, the Sheriff's Department intends on using comments from these posts and comments on Youtube. Screenshots have been captured. True to form, 99% of the comments were respectful and appropriate. The few outliers on Youtube were corrected.

    Just please be aware that what you post will be available to any agency you intend to protest or sue.

    Thanks for all the support.

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    It's a good reminder.

    Fortunately I am not ashamed of my anti unconstitutional proactive law enforcement.

    And the cops in your incident were unconstitutional asshats. They can use this post all they want. I stand by what I say.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    how do they know who you are? all they can say is [username] said this. and unless they can prove that is you isn't that hearsay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twpetry View Post
    how do they know who you are? all they can say is [username] said this. and unless they can prove that is you isn't that hearsay?
    It is as simple as putting 2 and 2 together, they know who they pulled over and when. The officer knows if he is the one in the video unconstitutionally harrassing his employers.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    It is as simple as putting 2 and 2 together, they know who they pulled over and when. The officer knows if he is the one in the video unconstitutionally harrassing his employers.
    I'm not sure we're on the same page here. I'm saying how do the police/lawyers etc, know who the person is making the posts they are trying to use as part of their defense? they can't just "put 2 and 2 together" they need proof that the username is the person they say it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    can someone get me up to speed on this story ? what video ?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXwW2nrV0bY

    Just click the name, view profile and click "recent started threads". Super easy.
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    Considering how most of the posters in this forum usually know the law better than the LEO's, I figure the LEO's copying posts will learn something.
    Lets hope anyway.
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    what exactly are they going to use anything i say for?

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    I could go on and on about how you handled that traffic stop, but it would probably be wasted finger motion on the keyboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer6 View Post
    what exactly are they going to use anything i say for?
    I read the whole comments section again and thought "so what's the big deal? It's a bunch of people talking about the Constitution and Liberty."

    They, however, will say "Ladies and gentlemen, it's obvious he's a member of a right-wing, anti-government group...."

    Laughable, but they'll try it.

    My point was to keep this in mind and - should you ever find yourself in my position - make sure you clear out your previous posts before submitting anything to the forum.

    I could go on and on about how you handled that traffic stop, but it would probably be wasted finger motion on the keyboard.
    I'll always take constructive criticism, but please PM me so it's not a matter of public record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twpetry View Post
    I'm not sure we're on the same page here. I'm saying how do the police/lawyers etc, know who the person is making the posts they are trying to use as part of their defense? they can't just "put 2 and 2 together" they need proof that the username is the person they say it is.
    I assume what you are asking is how can they prove your username is yours? IP address would be my guess. Log-in history, account history, etc. But that assumes they have access to your personal computers' information.

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    So what would it matter if I posted something there?

    How can they use what I say to hurt you?

    One of my videos has over 8k viewers. Many comments and a split 44 likes 45 dislikes or close to that.

    The comments don't change the actions taken by the police.
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    I get the impression that some people are not comprehending that "If" you (read that again.. You!) are involved in some activity with a Law Enforcement Agency and "are" going to take legal action against that LEA, marinepilot81 is suggesting that you review all your prior posts for anything inappropriate before posting about the action you are involved in with regards to that LEA.

    As sudden valley gunner said:
    It is as simple as putting 2 and 2 together, they know who they pulled over and when. The officer knows if he is the one in the video unconstitutionally harrassing his employers.
    Meaning that the legal action will be giving specifics of the case that when matched with the posts can easily identify that the poster either is the Plaintiff or is associated to the Plaintiff in the case.
    Lets Unite and REMIND our Government that WE are the source of their authority and that WE demand our Rights be returned, Unabridged, Non-infringed, without denial or disparagement. The faults of a few, reflect badly on many, I therefore do not suggest anyone support WAC. My EDC is either a H&K USP .40 or a Taurus 689 .357 filled with Snake Loads

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    Just be sure to post silly stuff and anesthetic things as well. If they use anything from online it opens up that you can use anything as well and you can show where you post on line for fun or you make it up just to be a smart mule and nothing can be taken literally and they must read everything you post or nothing at all. The internet is two dimensional, no body language or face to face interaction. Misinterpretation is all to often due to many things ; some like me see this computer as entertainment and not real as we use a made up name and look to poke fun at the num nuts that live in there moms basement. If i chose to be truthful, lie, playful.... Nothing said on this puter is anything other than hear say as anyone can steal my password. When did i get read my rights that anything i said on a computer can and will be used against me in a court of Law? Time to get a new lawyer dude. The one you got ain't making it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPackingMomma View Post
    I assume what you are asking is how can they prove your username is yours? IP address would be my guess. Log-in history, account history, etc. But that assumes they have access to your personal computers' information.
    I'm afraid you have been watching too many tv crime shows. Many local police departments/sheriff's offices do not even have the ability or technology to do the kind of computer forensics required to prove who someone is online. Many times they have to outsource that kind of work, even so, that kind of investigating is only utilized for higher profile cases, because it costs $$$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twpetry View Post
    I'm afraid you have been watching too many tv crime shows. Many local police departments/sheriff's offices do not even have the ability or technology to do the kind of computer forensics required to prove who someone is online. Many times they have to outsource that kind of work, even so, that kind of investigating is only utilized for higher profile cases, because it costs $$$.
    Not true, most sites the government thinks is on extreme edge are monitored and records are kept, not only on the internet but cell phone use including texts. One only has to take a look at the Zimmerman case and the extreme the prosecution has gone into to prosecute them even to the point of Z and his wife talking about groceries, supposedly some type of code they claim. It anyone puts anything on the internet it is out there, permanently. Unless it makes Obama look bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    It anyone puts anything on the internet it is out there, permanently. Unless it makes Obama look bad.
    Sorry to tell ya, he needs no help in looking bad. He does a great job of that all on his own.
    Lets Unite and REMIND our Government that WE are the source of their authority and that WE demand our Rights be returned, Unabridged, Non-infringed, without denial or disparagement. The faults of a few, reflect badly on many, I therefore do not suggest anyone support WAC. My EDC is either a H&K USP .40 or a Taurus 689 .357 filled with Snake Loads

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    Quote Originally Posted by twpetry View Post
    I'm afraid you have been watching too many tv crime shows. Many local police departments/sheriff's offices do not even have the ability or technology to do the kind of computer forensics required to prove who someone is online. Many times they have to outsource that kind of work, even so, that kind of investigating is only utilized for higher profile cases, because it costs $$$.
    Okay
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    Quote Originally Posted by ickthus View Post
    Just be sure to post silly stuff and anesthetic things as well. If they use anything from online it opens up that you can use anything as well and you can show where you post on line for fun or you make it up just to be a smart mule and nothing can be taken literally and they must read everything you post or nothing at all. The internet is two dimensional, no body language or face to face interaction. Misinterpretation is all to often due to many things ; some like me see this computer as entertainment and not real as we use a made up name and look to poke fun at the num nuts that live in there moms basement. If i chose to be truthful, lie, playful.... Nothing said on this puter is anything other than hear say as anyone can steal my password. When did i get read my rights that anything i said on a computer can and will be used against me in a court of Law? Time to get a new lawyer dude. The one you got ain't making it.
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    Yup. A YouTube video was used to convict me of obstructing a public officer in municipal court.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESv-3...48F17680340FAF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yard Sale View Post
    Yup. A YouTube video was used to convict me of obstructing a public officer in municipal court.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESv-3...48F17680340FAF
    You can appeal the conviction then.

    Not under arrest but not free to leave?

    Why were you stopped in the first place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Not true, most sites the government thinks is on extreme edge are monitored and records are kept, not only on the internet but cell phone use including texts. One only has to take a look at the Zimmerman case and the extreme the prosecution has gone into to prosecute them even to the point of Z and his wife talking about groceries, supposedly some type of code they claim. It anyone puts anything on the internet it is out there, permanently. Unless it makes Obama look bad.
    Oh I am fully aware of that. People have no where near the privacy they think they have. The power and reach of the NSA is unbelievable. But my point is, and remains, that local authorities do not have access to this type of means. As I said, it is reserved mostly for the feds and high profile cases, such as the zimmerman case that you pointed out. "Some guy upset over his 2A rights" suing local law enforcement, is not going to draw that kind of attention and warrant (no pun intended) that type of involvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twpetry View Post
    "Some guy upset over his 2A rights" suing local law enforcement, is not going to draw that kind of attention and warrant (no pun intended) that type of involvement.
    That may be. But if your butt was on the line and you were facing having your firearms rights taken away, would you risk it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig229 View Post
    That may be. But if your butt was on the line and you were facing having your firearms rights taken away, would you risk it?
    I'm not saying you should go spouting off all kinds of trash , i'm just saying not every police department/sheriff's office has the kind of resources and technology you see on tv shows. that's all

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    This is getting nuts

    Listen, my mistake could have been saying "here's ME getting detained." or "here I am dealing with the police." Whatever.

    Issue 1: No one cares what this forum really is about. The jury will see what is presented and today is proof that even the most "educated" on our legal system can't apply the Constitution.

    Issue 2: It's up to you guys, but I'd scrub my prior posts before posting anything in a lawsuit. Be naive and attack me if you like...

    Issue 3: Get a new lawyer? This is a public forum just like Youtube. Anything you say can and WILL be used against you. My whole point...my whole point...was that this forum is going to be brought before a jury. Just be careful.

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