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I am going to keep this short.

M-Taliesin

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After watching the news and reading about how all these bills will pass in CO im seeing red. I swear I hope people in this state get off their couches and do band together. Being nice and diplomatic is bs and a bs answer. Im fed up and pissed off.

Hello Again!
Now I really gotta wonder where you were on Tuesday and Wednesday. Were you at the state capitol to speak to legislators on the subject?
Don't really know if you were there, like many of us were.
Then again, there is a march on the 23rd. Will you be there?

If you want action, get out there and make it happen.
Don't gripe about nobody doing anything.
Those who have staged rallies have taken the bull by the horns and got out there and made stuff happen.
I host many of our local Meet and Greets. I make them happen.
Where were you on any of those occassions?
Do you know what project 94 is? If not, why not?
It seems hypocritical to chide others for inaction, when you are perfectly capable of taking action yourself.
Or is it simply easier to be a participant than an organizer?

Blessings,
M-Taliesin
 

porterhouse83

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Mel you make too many assumptions about what I have and have not done. Last I talked to you you were telling me how great Dems are. How many of your votes have help hurt the gun lobby? I have drawn my lines and your not on my side. Your the hypocrit bud. Continue supporting the democratic party and defending them the way I have heard you defend them. You have nothing to say to me. Traitor.
 
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Saxxon

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Dude, I've been to the State Capitol 3 times in 5 weeks now. Twice I got zapped by Denver Parking Gestapo for a total of $100. Its really interfering with the rest of my life, but I do it anyway.

The committee hearings I want to attend though, I often can't find out when a given bill goes before a committee till its too late. They don't post that info fortrightly on the legislature site, its buried and cryptic to find it if you can. It would help greatly if someone familiar with their process kept an up to date and accurate listing of when these bills go up for public participation hearings, and other events.

IE on Teus 19th there is a forum hosted by Hickenlooper on "Gun Violence" at the Performing Arts Center 630pm. Pack the house.

Several state reps are having these town hall type meetings. This Saturday there are 4-5 of them at least. Go to one, turn up the heat - don't be blatantly disresepectful but come armed with facts and reasonsed arguments to put them on the spot to explain their position in the light of contrary evidence and the failure of their proposals to work in the past and other places.

http://cohousedems.com/town-hall-event-schedule/
 

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I predict that the over- zealous anti-2A swarming by the Democratically controlled State Assembly will be a short lived phenomenum.

Referendum and initiative fortunately is available to remedy this sordid display of "progressives" naivete while showing their true intentions.

Really looking forward to the 2014 election now. Good chance to reverse this insanity.

I am self-limited to 15 round magazines by my choice of weapon, and I usually carry at least one more 15 round mag in a pouch. So this "feel good" legislation is going to achieve exactly WHAT ??? And the next copy-cat mass murderer is expected to obey this law ?????? For real........?

Universal background checks - OK ....WOW (!,?) How many active prohibitive persons wanting a firearm to committ a robbery, murder, or car-jacking are going to cue up for this ridiculous exhibition of stupidity ???

"STRAW PURCHASES" are the preferred path of the prohibited person in search of a firearm - to which universal background checks offer no remedy.

Responsible gun owners in Colorado have an excellent self-regulating record when selling to another individual. Who in their right mind would want to sell a firearm to someone likely to turn around and use it to on them or their family. This is a legislative exercise in studpidity - and political suicide.
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And - yes - I have communicated my sentiments to every Colorado elected official up to and including Governor Knicken-pooper.



They actually rely on people thinking as you may, that oh well I am ok with 15 rounds because thats all my handgun carries.

AR rifles use 20 & 30 round magazines. When there are riots (and make no mistake, with Obama's policies we will see welfare riots in the not too distant future) or the flash mob phenomenon, the AR is going to be of much more utility than your handgun when facing dozens of people with weapons and firebombs.

Every gun owner should be up and out opposing this bull, err bill.
 

Saxxon

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Hello Again!
Now I really gotta wonder where you were on Tuesday and Wednesday. Were you at the state capitol to speak to legislators on the subject?
Don't really know if you were there, like many of us were.
Then again, there is a march on the 23rd. Will you be there?

If you want action, get out there and make it happen.
Don't gripe about nobody doing anything.
Those who have staged rallies have taken the bull by the horns and got out there and made stuff happen.
I host many of our local Meet and Greets. I make them happen.
Where were you on any of those occassions?
Do you know what project 94 is? If not, why not?
It seems hypocritical to chide others for inaction, when you are perfectly capable of taking action yourself.
Or is it simply easier to be a participant than an organizer?

Blessings,
M-Taliesin

Mel,

I had wanted to get in especially for HB13-1224 but I could not find out when it was to go before comittee since they keep that information cryptic and well hidden. Is there anyway that we can get the meetings that these things will be heard at where we can participate posted up ASAP when the times are known, so those of us working can perhaps get off to attend?

I was working nights that day, I could have been there but didn't know it was being heard despite trying to find out when since the Friday before (I even called and asked and got shined on). But they certainly notified the Arapahoe County (Quack) Coroner when it was so he could be there to misinform and make emotional appeals. I base that on his statement (paraphrased quote form the DP) "that rounds fired from a high capacity magazine do far more gruesome damage..." I Did post a complaint to his office and actually for a call from him on it. He tried citing me Brady statistics (gun in the home 43 times more likely to kill someone in the home & other disprovable lies). He was a bit disconcerted when I hammered him on it, and then noted how his credibility was compromised by spouting such nonsense. Doubt I changed his mind, but maybe it might make him more cautious to spew that nonsense.

BTW, while I don't care for the manner of attack, I think the one dude is right on your support for Democrats, there isn't but a handful worth their salt. I learned that roughly 20 years ago when Clinton, the House and Senate pulled their nonsense in 1994. I lived in California and I saw what they did to that state. You might consider Independant if you can't support the GOP (which really needs some top to bottom house cleaning with TEA).
 

Saxxon

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These men you're so enamored of tended to be statist to the core, and their generation is directly responsible for much of the government excess in the last century. Collectivism was rampant in the years between the wars and after WWII, and the law-and-order mentality dominated. Most of them were pro-gun-control.

We're better off without them.

Sadly true. Though they eventually fought and defeated Hitler, out government was very cozy with the Nazis up till the war. They used the Nazi gun law of 1938 verbatim to enact the 1968 gun control act here.

My father, who fought in WWII, was a Democrat, worked for the US government all his life. The last several years before his death I'd been horrified to find that he was about as socialist, big government statist as they come (stuff I just didn't think about in my younger years). It was a supreme dissappointment to realize that if it was up to men like him, we'd never have had a revolution and become our own nation. He was trained to toe the line, that the government knew what was best and not to question - much like our nanny state products they churn out of the schools today.
 

M-Taliesin

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Saxxon I did not attack him. I let it be known in a firm way that I have no use for anything he has to say to me.

Howdy Again!
Whether or not you care, you do not know how I voted. Nor who I kept stumping for on other forums.
Just so the record is clear, I was supporting Gary Johnson. He was the ONLY candidate that stood squarely behind the 2nd Amendment.
And you know what folks said? "You'll just be throwing your vote away." or "He has positively no chance, so a vote for him is like a vote for Obama."
Problem is this: Those democrats who favor gun rights (and they are out there) are trying to change the party from within.
Just because it ain't easy doesn't mean it ain't worth a try. If more of us had tried, maybe their attitude would be different now.

It all gets back to doing the work, talking to representitives, going to rallys, reaching out to fellow gun owners to motivate them.

And in all I've done since this issue blew up, I still haven't seen you there. Anywhere. Doing anything.
That part you conveniently swept under the rug while resorting to name-calling while others are going out there and doing the chore.
Call me whatever names you like, but it won't change the situation one iota.
Roll up your sleeves and get involved with fighting for our rights.

I've said often enough that we cannot afford to split ourselves up into warring factions.
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
Yet, to the anti's immense pleasure, we spend entirely too much time splitting ourselves into competing camps rather than teaming up and putting differences aside to work together against a formidable foe. That's one of our biggest downfalls.

You've seen it yourself: AR-15 forum guys think poorly of handgun carriers, concealed carry folks decry open carriers, and then they glom things up even more by shunning people who don't see things exactly as they do; whether political views, or other irrelevant factors. We divide our own forces to our collective peril.
We've gotten complacent with our rights and can ill afford to continue splitting our forces with contentions that serve our opponents well.

George Armstrong Custer rode up on the Little Big Horn and lost his command because he split his forces.
He sent Reno to attack the southern end of a massive village, while Benteen was sent off far to the south to block any escape route.
The result is that Reno nearly got his command wiped out, Custer lost 5 companies of 7th cavalry, and Benteen was out in la la land.
Nobody could help Custer, because his three columns were spread over 5 miles away from his position.

We do the same thing (figuratively speaking) when we split our own forces.
One pencil, anybody can break. But take a bundle of them, and it is nigh on impossible.
Unless we stand together, we're going to be picked off individually.
And without those in power seeing we are a cohesive force to be reckoned with, we haven't a prayer.

At the state capitol last month, I estimate some 2,000 folks turned out.
That sort of showing of solidarity is necessary to succeed.
I don't care whether anybody is republican or democrat. I don't care if they are tea party or occupy folks.
I don't care if they are white, black, brown or purple. I don't care whether they are Catholic, Jewish, Protestant or any other religion.
I don't care if they are of European ancestry, Mexican heritage or from Mars.
Any factor is irrelevant aside from stopping the threat.
To do that, we all need to pitch in, roll up our sleeves, do the work, and get the job done!

If that is too difficult to grasp, then we are finished before it actually begins.

Blessings,
M-Taliesin
 

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This is sad. I assumed being a gold star state that Co was pro gun rights. Guess not. I'll take my standard capacity magazines and private transfers over OC all day long.

If I lived in Kolorado (sic) I'd be in that House chamber today with my "tyranny response team" T-shirt.
 

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This is sad. I assumed being a gold star state that Co was pro gun rights. Guess not. I'll take my standard capacity magazines and private transfers over OC all day long.

And what, beg for permission to actually carry?

I really hate it when people offer their scraps. A: Why? B: Not my scraps!
 

fighting_for_freedom

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Lawmakers passing a law is one thing. Them enforcing it is an entirely different matter.

Rosa Parks refused to sit at the back of the bus, did she not?

Marijuana activists gather together and openly smoke pot in defiance of the law, do they not?

Civil disobedience can be the most effective form of protest, in my humble opinion.
 

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And what, beg for permission to actually carry?

I really hate it when people offer their scraps. A: Why? B: Not my scraps!

Not at all. But I do think possession of military pattern rifles, their accessories, and keeping sales of them private is more useful to liberty if people actually have to fight against the slaver class. Handguns are no match for rifles.
 
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marshaul

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Not at all. But I do think possession of military pattern rifles, their accessories, and keeping sales of them private is more useful to liberty if people actually have to fight against the slaver class. Handguns are no match for rifles.

That's true, I would never think to suggest otherwise.

On the other hand, I open carry every day. I don't fighter slavers, well, ever. It's my sincere hope it stays that way.

Not to mention, of all these, OC is the only one capable of directly "spreading" RKBA advocacy.

Besides, it's easier to squirrel away a few rifles on your property than it is to... hide(?)... open carrying... Well, you get my point. Rifles don't go away if you "ban" them. Nothing changes. OC does go away if you ban it.
 
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Doubt it. I think 10 of my handguns should equal one of your rifles. Don't you?

Sorry, I had to. Just trying to bring some levity to the discussion. :p

I feel badly for you guys. It makes me angry when liberty is lost anywhere. All of my magazines for my semi-auto pistols would be illegal if that bill passes. Terrible. How did this slime get into office. People moving from Kommiefornia?
 

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That's true, I would never think to suggest otherwise.

On the other hand, I open carry every day. I don't fighter slavers, well, ever. It's my sincere hope it stays that way.

Not to mention, of all these, OC is the only one capable of directly "spreading" RKBA advocacy.

Besides, it's easier to squirrel away a few rifles on your property than it is to... hide(?)... open carrying... Well, you get my point. Rifles don't go away if you "ban" them. Nothing changes. OC does go away if you ban it.

Very true. Looks like people need to start OCing more in Colorado!

I hate that I can't publicly advocate for the right to bear arms in Florida.
 

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How did this slime get into office. People moving from Kommiefornia?


Unfortunately, yes. I hate to say it, but I'm an ex-Kommiefornian myself. Although I never voted for these shining examples of poo.

I really have to attribute our current political climate to all the liberals and hippie types moving to Colorado. Visit one of the ski resort areas or the Denver area, and you'll see what I mean. The backwoods, country Colorado (which is the larger area), is predominantly pro-liberty, but all the liberals pack themselves into the cities and trash up our 'quaint' country towns.
 

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Nit-picking and pigeon-holing each other's comments if they don't immeditely appear to conform to, and echo our own concerns gets us nowhere.

The opposition presently is funneling raw emotional "Do something - Do anything" sympathy into a risky banzai charge against the 2A protected right.

This same momentum makes them especially vunerable to finding themselves isolated from the Colorado body politic once emotional, and rational equilibrium is regained.

I would submit that we are all on the same team, and seeking to impact this issue in the best ways that we can, whether it be phone calls, e-mail, appearances, or donating to the NRA, RMGO, GOA, NAGR and other groups.
 
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porterhouse83

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Mel I do not believe a word you say. A liberal talking is a liberal lieing. As for me answering to you about what I have done well thats not going to happen. I am not going to engage in a serious conversation with you. Matter of fact im just going to put you on my ignore list and hope I never run into you. So go ahead and write out another long post addressing me. I wont be reading it. If you do see me out and about do not approach me. I will not be civil.
 
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