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This could not have happend to a better man. I plan on helping in more ways than one. Won't go into detail but I hope it makes a difference.
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The Tale of Henrico - Chapter 2 in a Ferry Tale - Arrested for following the law
- Thread starter Grapeshot
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We ARE making a difference. As some prefer to remain anonymus, I will respect that, but I know who you are and in Scouser's behalf I offer a hearty, robust THANK YOU for what you do and who you are.
This merry band of brothers.........
Marco
Regular Member
FIFY
There has been much discussion as to whether the USPS rule/regulation is actually legal - don't care to be a test case though.
See that you live in Hanover.....Va?
If so check out this dinner, we'd love to have you join us:
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?114010-Greater-Richmond-OC-Dinner-Tues-5-14-at-7-pm
Maybe this should be it's own thread, but here just to add on:
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_19423472
A federal judge in Denver has allowed a lawsuit challenging the U.S. Postal Service's ban on guns in post offices to go forward.
No court in the country, he contends, has taken up whether the Second Amendment right to possess firearms extends to public areas of post offices.
The ruling could have national implications for all post offices.
BOT:
For the cause:
I got a $150 gift cert. but won't be able to attend....
http://practicalfirearmstraining.com/
Buy for $100 with the $ going to fund:
http://www.vaguntrader.com/forums/ubbthr...the_#Post523630
Make funds payable to:
Virginia Legal Defense c/o Graham C.
TFred
Regular Member
Piqued my curiosity. Apparently the case has been tossed out. [ETA: Further reading indicates that one of the two complaints in the original case was dismissed, not the entire case.]
http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum...islation-discussion/154314-bonidy-v-usps.html
Will keep looking for more info.
ETA: Apparently [ETA:the first part] was dismissed last September. Links on justia.com.
ETA#2: But apparently they are still trading motions...
ETA#3: Fully acknowledging this is OT for this thread... that last link from The Firing Line has some links to the most recent motions... I simply cannot tolerate reading the motions of the gun-grabbers. They are just outright liars, and it makes my head hurt and my stomach turn to knots that this is an organization of MY government doing this. Done ranting now.
TFred
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vetsvette
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Hang in there scouser. I will keep you and your family in my thoughts and prayers. Apologies for not visiting the site more often. This is the first time since skid mark got his problems resolved. I'm another that saw it on my VCDL Alert. Rest assured my donation will be coming forthwith and will continue as I can afford it until resolution.
MKEgal
Regular Member
That would be a nice change, considering the previous... difficulties... there.Grapeshot said:
Oh, that's an easy one. From their perspective this is going south, pear-shaped, & terribly terribly wrong. :lol:
Again, not hard to guess: "Waaah - the nasty evil dangerous person had a nasty evil dangerous gun and someone saw it and they wet their pants and he should be punished!"Grapeshot said:
+1,000,000skidmark said:
wry762
Regular Member
I believe it was mentioned early in this thread that the school bus driver worked for a private school.
When the time is right, I hope that the name of the bus driver and the school are made public. If it's a public
school, then discussing the actions of the driver with the school administration might not be productive - but I
would still make the effort. If it's a private school, then I would hope that the school administration might be
more attentive to our concerns.
I used to send my son to private schools in Henrico, and to comply with the law I would remove my firearm
from its holster and place it in my truck's console before I entered the schools. If that driver had seen me, then
this thread could have been about me.
-Warren-
When the time is right, I hope that the name of the bus driver and the school are made public. If it's a public
school, then discussing the actions of the driver with the school administration might not be productive - but I
would still make the effort. If it's a private school, then I would hope that the school administration might be
more attentive to our concerns.
I used to send my son to private schools in Henrico, and to comply with the law I would remove my firearm
from its holster and place it in my truck's console before I entered the schools. If that driver had seen me, then
this thread could have been about me.
-Warren-
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I've been putting together a video Warren, and it does name the school. It's public information. I'll also name the driver but I doubt I'll put up much personal information about him. That may come out but at this point, unlike Skidmark's case, the mainstream news didn't carry anything about Scouser so in all fairness, I'll just let that rest. It wouldn't add anything to the case.
The Central committee reviewed the beginning yesterday, so expect something next week.
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The previews were great - ordering a very large drink to go with all of the popcorn.
wry762
Regular Member
Ah. Well, I wouldn't talk to the school until after Scouser's issue was resolved... but I'm a team player, so I won't
take action at all until I've cleared it with his team.
I had to raise the issue, because private school tuition in this area starts at around $4K/year, and goes up to $10K.
If the school decided to take a position in favor of the bus driver, then I would guess that some of the parents might
decide to send their kids to a different school...
-Warren-
2a4all
Regular Member
Since these are off-duty employments (by private entities?), why would the PD be involved at all? There probably is some sort of network that does "control" these "opportunities", but in the private sector, they're called employment agencies. Are you implying that somehow these are "public positions" and/or that these guys are paid with public funds?Pick up a little tidbit yesterday - wish I could remember where I got it
It seems that Henrico officers are offered off-duty moonlighting jobs based on their rank and time in grade with the better jobs going to those that have accumulated the most status points. Well you say, nothing too strange there.
Ahh, but I'm told that those "sweet plums" are not assigned by anyone in the Henrico PD but by some party (unnamed here) elsewhere in the county bureaucracy.........the Good Old Boy system is alive and well.
Now it seems to me that if you want to keep on the good side of your godfather/benefactor you might look to selectively enforce some of the laws. Maybe even tighten up on "those people" that dare to carry guns. Possible? I think so maybe - at least it strongly hints that someone other than law enforcement might be pulling the puppet's strings.
It also seems that the officer responsible for this most recent travesty has a number of similar positions - have to wonder whether he is maybe working them simultaneously - maximizing the return on his time by charging more than one employer for the "same clocked" in time. If so that wouldn't seem ethical, maybe even illegal.
The deeper we dig into this chapter of the Ferry Tale, the less potable the water :uhoh:
PS - just had a thought. Wouldn't it be something if the person assigning this "extra curricular duty" were found to be sharing in the monetary benefits derived
2a4all
Regular Member
Where was scouser's car when the school bus driver observed this act? Near the school entrance, but off school grounds (I hope so)? Did he (scouser) then proceed onto school grounds with his firearm "secured in a closed container"? Are the driver and the moonlighting LEO employed by the same private school? Just wondering why the school bus driver was so concerned about a guy having a gun in his car.
Possible conversation between driver and LEO:
Driver: "I saw a guy bring a gun in his car onto school property last night."
LEO: "How do you know he had a gun?"
Driver: "Because I saw him putting it into the console of his car."
TFred
Regular Member
Very important information:
According to the information provided earlier in this thread (or perhaps the original?), the "incident" happened at a major intersection between two busy streets in Henrico County. The fact that it was a school bus driver, while perhaps physically allowing them to "see" what may not have been able to be seen from a car, has absolutely nothing to do with any of the details of this case.
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2a4all
Regular Member
Why not? Just because you're a cop (teacher, firefighter) doesn't preclude you from being employed and paid by a private entity in any capacity, barring some sort of restrictive employment contract clause. Usually can't do the 2nd job while on duty in the 1st, though.
2a4all
Regular Member
Ah. Well, I wouldn't talk to the school until after Scouser's issue was resolved... but I'm a team player, so I won't
take action at all until I've cleared it with his team.
I had to raise the issue, because private school tuition in this area starts at around $4K/year, and goes up to $10K.
If the school decided to take a position in favor of the bus driver, then I would guess that some of the parents might
decide to send their kids to a different school...
-Warren-
This is probably the 3rd most expensive school in the area Warren.
That will come out this week.
School bus was at/near a major intersection in Henrico County - apparently traveling to or from an event. "Secured in closed container" has nothing to do with it - he could have it anywhere in his vehicle or on his person that he choose.
Originally Posted by Grapeshot
Don't see how one can be a paid public employee and a private contractor at the same time (not saying that is the case), but some of the actors here seem to have "dual citizenship."
That was intended partially tongue-in-cheek, but there are certain questions being asked as to were all the T's crossed & all of the i's dotted.
Cops historically moonlight as "private security". All those State Police troopers sitting on the side of the road at the beginning of construction areas are "off duty" at the time. VSP does get reimbursement for the use of the vehicles. Local cops are used the same way, with the same/similar reimbursement scheme for the vehicles.
Local cops/deputies are hired to provide "private security" for businesses, as well as for public, semi-public, and private events. Each locality has its own policy & procedure for assigning a cop to the job. Often what appears in policy/prodedure does not match what happens in real life. In some localities there is a requirement that cops be hired to provide security for certain events (for example, where alcohol is sold/served). Ask me to give my rant about "off duty" cops being assigned to essentially enforce the ABC laws.
Cops get a special pass that allows them to bypass all of the DCJS certification and licensing standards that true private security companies must comply with. Ask me to give my rant about conflict of interest and restraint of trade.
Most often the policy states that while moonlighting the private employer is responsible for worker's comp insurance. But the moment the "off duty" cop exercises their law enforcement powers they magically go off the private clock and onto the public clock. If injured while law enforcing their Worker's Comp comes from the PD. Thus my rant that there is no such thing as an "off duty" cop working private security. That sort of conflicts with your "Usually can't do the 2nd job while on duty in the 1st, though", doesn't it?
Yes, cops hired as private security is a dirty business all the way around.
stay safe.
2a4all
Regular Member
Doesn't seem to conflict; s/he is either working for one or the other, not both. It appears that the LEO's employment status automatically changes based on his/her action. If the LEO took action to intervene in a crime while on the way home from work and was injured, the PD would pick up the WC tab, but wouldn't s/he automatically "go on the clock" as well? If s/he were injured while not law enforcing on the private clock (e.g. sat down for a donut break, and the chair broke), then the WC claim would come out of the private employer's pocket.