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    Seattle Hempfest 2014: Part I. No guns allowed

    The Video: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=35d_1408397981

    The Narrative: On 17 AUG 2014, I attended Seattle Hempfest for the first time. I was happy to see so many thousands of people gathering to support a great cause: legalization of marijuana - both for medicinal and recreational purposes.

    I was curious about the "no weapons" policy that was in place. I am still not sure if this was from the event's organizers or a law enforcement entity. This event was held in a public park, but the event screeners informed me it was a "private" event. They were checking bags and looking for weapons or contraband. I am curious how a weapons policy can be put in place for a person who is a law-abiding open or concealed carrier. There is no ban in city parks and this event certainly was not "private."

    At any rate, I wanted to get a quick video of the entry procedures and do an informal "field interview" with someone. I apologize for the extreme shaking in this video. I was trying to capture the footage with my one free hand, while taking off my other camera and Camel Back.
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    While not OCDO custom.. concealed means concealed? Only law to break is trespass only after you are asked to leave IIRC.

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    How could they possibly ban guns in the wake of Chan v Seattle? Did the entire park get rented out and they are claiming via Sequiem decision they can ban guns?

    Was the park still open to the public? Was there a fence around it? How did they stop people from just walking in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post

    Was the park still open to the public? Was there a fence around it? How did they stop people from just walking in?

    You must not have watched the video. Shows a large fence, security checkpoint and free admission.
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    Guys you're overlooking one very important thing here.

    Guns and pot don't mix, legally, under federal law. Period. End of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    Guys you're overlooking one very important thing here.

    Guns and pot don't mix, legally, under federal law. Period. End of story.
    So that means that people who are not smoking weed shouldn't carry guns as well? Just because you attend hempfest doesn't mean that you are high, or under the influence.
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    Sorry I didn't realize they fenced off the entire park. They must have been leasing it then right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by massivedesign View Post
    So that means that people who are not smoking weed shouldn't carry guns as well? Just because you attend hempfest doesn't mean that you are high, or under the influence.
    +1

    Doesn't mean we can't support legalization or the nullifying of unconstitutional federal rules.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by massivedesign View Post
    So that means that people who are not smoking weed shouldn't carry guns as well? Just because you attend hempfest doesn't mean that you are high, or under the influence.
    Well just wait some bored US atty can probably find something to pile on you..... It's not worth whatever you'll see at loserfest anyway...
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    It's not worth whatever you'll see at loserfest anyway...
    So, people who partake in MJ are losers? Are you even aware that not EVERYTHING regarding hempfest has to do with smoking weed?

    We (as gun owners) spend countless years trying to chip away at the titles given to us by the uninformed. Interesting hypocrisy.
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    You know those pharmacy commercials listing all sorts of ungodly side effects (including death)? I have a couple of good friends that have been able to discontinue those meds thanks to medical MJ. I agree the passed out (I'm sure they had more stuff in their system besides MJ) certainly put a bad light on people that partake, it doesn't reflect on all. Just like there are gun owners that make us as a group look bad too. Like the ones that trash the shooting pits just to name one.
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    My Nancy suffered terribly from the side-effects of chemo-therapy over an extended period of time before she passed away in March. After trying many different medications to combat the debilitating nausea, we discovered that MJ was the only thing that worked.

    ...and that is all I need to say on the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    Guys you're overlooking one very important thing here.

    Guns and pot don't mix, legally, under federal law. Period. End of story.
    Screw the Federal law. It isn't worth using as toilet paper.

    It's also clearly unconstitutional, and therefore of no consequence, ethically or legally. Any "legal" repercussions suffered thanks to this law are, without question, illegal acts of aggression on the part of criminals acting under color of law.

    Well, screw them, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rapgood View Post
    My Nancy suffered terribly from the side-effects of chemo-therapy over an extended period of time before she passed away in March. After trying many different medications to combat the debilitating nausea, we discovered that MJ was the only thing that worked.

    ...and that is all I need to say on the subject.
    BTDT. When you've seen it firsthand, all the prohibitionists' arguments become just so much shrill, white noise. (I force myself to counter these arguments for the greater good, not because the arguments possess an iota of merit or even deserve serious rebuttal.) Frankly, the prohibitionist position is blatantly evil.

    Also, I am sorry for your loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    It's not worth whatever you'll see at loserfest anyway...
    You actually brushed your teeth today and looked in a mirror. Awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    Guys you're overlooking one very important thing here.

    Guns and pot don't mix, legally, under federal law. Period. End of story.
    Sez Mr. Anti-Freedom, self aggrandizing, self promoting, self-titled 'reporter.'

    Being African American didn't "mix' with Federal law for a long time. Those who resisted were heroes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rapgood View Post
    My Nancy suffered terribly from the side-effects of chemo-therapy over an extended period of time before she passed away in March. After trying many different medications to combat the debilitating nausea, we discovered that MJ was the only thing that worked.

    ...and that is all I need to say on the subject.
    Dave Workman can print out the above post, hard copy. Fold it so there's all sharp corners, then shove it.
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    A bunch of stoners and guns, what could possibly go wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    +1

    Doesn't mean we can't support legalization or the nullifying of unconstitutional federal rules.
    Translation: stand up for freedom, or you ARE against it (by definition).

    That puts some on the wrong side of Inalienable Rights, and history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40sc View Post
    A bunch of stoners and guns, what could possibly go wrong
    Cops shoot an innocent person. Quite rolling your eyes and try thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40sc View Post
    A bunch of stoners and guns, what could possibly go wrong
    So what, now you're afraid of an armed populace all of a sudden? I'm pretty sure there's a group of mad mothers eager for your membership.

    I can't decide whether to tell you to wake up, or to grow up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    Dave Workman can print out the above post, hard copy. Fold it so there's all sharp corners, then shove it.
    You know, that is exactly what went through my mind.
    Last edited by marshaul; 08-20-2014 at 05:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    I can't decide whether to tell you to wake up, or to grow up.
    Call him a hypocrite.

    "we need to ban guns and pot, because of what could possibly go wrong."

    "we need to ban pot, because of what could possibly go wrong."

    "we need to ban guns, because of what could possibly go wrong."

    Dude is just applying anti-gun logic to other objects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    Call him a hypocrite.

    "we need to ban guns and pot, because of what could possibly go wrong."

    "we need to ban pot, because of what could possibly go wrong."

    "we need to ban guns, because of what could possibly go wrong."

    Dude is just applying anti-gun logic to other objects.
    Methinks he is laboring under the assumption that simultaneous marijuana use and gun ownership hasn't been ridiculously common all along.

    Amongst those I know, the proportion of gun owners who use marijuana is nearly identical to the proportion of non-gun-owners who use marijuana. Conclusion: marijuana use and gun ownership have basically nothing to do with each other in the minds of marijuana users.

    I know, right? What a surprise, huh? These are the same people who aren't causing an increase in traffic fatalities in CO (actually quite the opposite) despite constant fear-mongering about the dangers of "mixing stoners and cars".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    Translation: stand up for freedom, or you ARE against it (by definition).

    That puts some on the wrong side of Inalienable Rights, and history.
    +1

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