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Opencarry.org panders to anti open carry biz

Sonora Rebel

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tittiger wrote:
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"They need a warrant to look under your jacket or shirt."

No they don't. Observation is probable cause to detain. If asked for your CCW and you can't produce it... You get arrested and frisked.

If you have problems with OCDO... delete your account. Real simple.
It goes without saying that I don't plan on shop lifting while conceal carrying, so unless they are lieing they will need that warrant.

Joe
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BTW you if don't like my posts YOU can delete YOUR account even simpler.
You obviously have no idea what a warrent is or how it is obtained. Fly lately? See any warrents in the hands of TSA? Private security on the owners premises can stop and frisk you on observation alone... and do. You need an attitude check... :) and a tinfoil hat.
 

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My name is Steve Kuhn. I am the Director of Loss Prevention for Bass Pro Shops. The policy concerning concealed carry and open carry are the same. Both methods of carrying a firearm in our stores is permitted as long as it is lawful. In the case of Nevada both are andchecking your firearm is not required. I have contacted the Loss Prevention Manager in the Vegas store about this situation and he has assured me that he will personally make sure allDoor Greeters are properly trained and know that open carry is lawful and does not require the firearm to be checked. If youfind a problem there again please feel free to send me an e-mail or call my office directly. My direct number is 417 873-4796.
 

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skuhn@basspro.com wrote:
My name is Steve Kuhn. I am the Director of Loss Prevention for Bass Pro Shops. The policy concerning concealed carry and open carry are the same. Both methods of carrying a firearm in our stores is permitted as long as it is lawful. In the case of Nevada both are andchecking your firearm is not required. I have contacted the Loss Prevention Manager in the Vegas store about this situation and he has assured me that he will personally make sure allDoor Greeters are properly trained and know that open carry is lawful and does not require the firearm to be checked. If youfind a problem there again please feel free to send me an e-mail or call my office directly. My direct number is 417 873-4796.

Thanks for the e-mail chats Steve,and for taking the time to come here and provide the correct policy and procedure for firearms in Bass Pro Shops. :)
 

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skuhn@basspro.com wrote:
My name is Steve Kuhn. If youfind a problem there again please feel free to send me an e-mail or call my office directly. My direct number is 417 873-4796.
That iscustomer service:exclaim:
 

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skuhn@basspro.com wrote:
My name is Steve Kuhn. I am the Director of Loss Prevention for Bass Pro Shops. The policy concerning concealed carry and open carry are the same. Both methods of carrying a firearm in our stores is permitted as long as it is lawful. In the case of Nevada both are andchecking your firearm is not required. I have contacted the Loss Prevention Manager in the Vegas store about this situation and he has assured me that he will personally make sure allDoor Greeters are properly trained and know that open carry is lawful and does not require the firearm to be checked. If youfind a problem there again please feel free to send me an e-mail or call my office directly. My direct number is 417 873-4796.

Thanks Steve!

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NOTE TO ALL: Once intelligent life forms at corporations are apprised of the facts, the law, and the growing open carry movement, they tend to just assimilate state law on open carry. This happenned at Sportsmen's warehouse, and now Bass Pro. But please take it easy on lower level employees at these stores. First, never ask them permission - they are not authorized to give permission so don't ask it! Just OC like normal, do your business, and leave the store with the goods you are buying. Second, do not cause a huge scene with low level employees who might remain uninformed of law and corporate policy (which sometimes is a non-policy, e.g., WalMart) - we have POCs at higher levels, so use them.
 

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Mike wrote:
NOTE TO ALL: Once intelligent life forms at corporations are apprised of the facts, the law, and the growing open carry movement, they tend to just assimilate state law on open carry. This happenned at Sportsmen's warehouse, and now Bass Pro. But please take it easy on lower level employees at these stores. First, never ask them permission - they are not authorized to give permission so don't ask it! Just OC like normal, do your business, and leave the store with the goods you are buying. Second, do not cause a huge scene with low level employees who might remain uninformed of law and corporate policy (which sometimes is a non-policy, e.g., WalMart) - we have POCs at higher levels, so use them.


This is true for most everywhere, including GOVERNMENT INSTALLATIONS.

For Example,

There is a Public Gun Range on Fort Polk, LA. I shoot there often during lunch since it's 2 minutes a way. :D

I've invited a few friends to join me. I'd already done my homework on JRTC Rules and Regs. with Personaly owned firearms. To bring firearms on base, they have to be unloaded and seperate. I know this.

There is also a HUGE sign at the front gate that states this very same thing.

So I decided to ask one of the new female civilian secruity guards that the Army has incorporated at their gates now. I Simply asked her;

"How do I need to transport my personaly owned firearm into Fort Polk.?"

Her answer, (Hold on to your seats) "Sir YOU CANNOT bring guns on Fort Polk !"

I said, "REALLY ? Isn't there a Public Gun Range on base."

She said "No sir there isn't, only Military weapons are allowed on base."

I said Thank you, and drove off.

See ? Even though there is literally a 5 FOOT x 5 FOOT SIGN, not even 10 FEET away from her, stating HOW to bring your personaly owned firearms on base to go to the range !, Her Ignorance could very easily cause trouble.

Just goes to show you, the one's who get paid to know policies, rarely know them at all.

I'm not sure if the public can access this link, but if you click here - http://intranet.polk.army.mil/DOIM/tabid/219/Default.aspx

and scroll down to the Military Police Section, 190 Series. Then click on the JRTC AND FORT POLK REGULATION 190-3 - Privately-Owned Weapons.

You'll see the PDF file stating this;

[align=left]c. Military and civilian personnel not assigned to[/align]
[align=left]Fort Polk may bring firearms onto the Fort Polk[/align]
[align=left]Military Reservation for the explicit purpose of[/align]
[align=left]hunting or recreational shooting, without prior[/align]
[align=left]registration with the PMO, provided the individual[/align]
[align=left]can prove that the possession or use of the firearm[/align]
[align=left]meets all the following criteria:[/align]
[align=left](l) During a designated hunting season, in a[/align]
[align=left]designated hunting area, as specified by the Fort Polk[/align]
[align=left]Game Management Office.[/align]
[align=left](2) A caliber and type specified for the given[/align]
[align=left]hunt and area.[/align]
[align=left](3) All firearms used are registered under[/align]
[align=left]applicable state law.[/align]
[align=left](4) Valid time period and facility for[/align]
recreational shooting.
 

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Sonora Rebel wrote:
tittiger wrote:
Sonora Rebel wrote:
"They need a warrant to look under your jacket or shirt."

No they don't. Observation is probable cause to detain. If asked for your CCW and you can't produce it... You get arrested and frisked.

If you have problems with OCDO... delete your account. Real simple.
It goes without saying that I don't plan on shop lifting while conceal carrying, so unless they are lieing they will need that warrant.

Joe
http://truthtribune.com

BTW you if don't like my posts YOU can delete YOUR account even simpler.
You obviously have no idea what a warrent is or how it is obtained. Fly lately? See any warrents in the hands of TSA? Private security on the owners premises can stop and frisk you on observation alone... and do. You need an attitude check... :) and a tinfoil hat.
Tin foil hat? You need to take your alzheimers meds we are talking about going into a Bass Pro shop remember grandpa?

Joe
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tittiger wrote:
Sonora Rebel wrote:
You obviously have no idea what a warrent is or how it is obtained. Fly lately? See any warrents in the hands of TSA? Private security on the owners premises can stop and frisk you on observation alone... and do. You need an attitude check... :) and a tinfoil hat.
Tin foil hat? You need to take your alzheimers meds we are talking about going into a Bass Pro shop remember grandpa?

Joe
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Tittiger, Pay attention to the terminology here. I've highlighted it.

If I own a Retail store, and Have my own secruity guards up front,

I HAVE THE RIGHT, to frisk and search ANYONE who steps foot on MY PROPERTY.

You can Refuse to the searched, & If you do refuse to be searched, then I tell you to take a hike and get off my property.

See ?
 

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skuhn@basspro.com wrote:
My name is Steve Kuhn. I am the Director of Loss Prevention for Bass Pro Shops. The policy concerning concealed carry and open carry are the same. Both methods of carrying a firearm in our stores is permitted as long as it is lawful. In the case of Nevada both are andchecking your firearm is not required. I have contacted the Loss Prevention Manager in the Vegas store about this situation and he has assured me that he will personally make sure allDoor Greeters are properly trained and know that open carry is lawful and does not require the firearm to be checked. If youfind a problem there again please feel free to send me an e-mail or call my office directly. My direct number is 417 873-4796.

Thanks Steve.

I would like to point out that I was told by the manager here. This is the email from him. Steve it would be great if you contacted him and posted back here. I will send Ron a email again as well.



Thanks



From:

"Ron J. Rupert" <RJRupert@basspro.com>Add sender to Contacts



To:
xxxxxx@yahoo.com



Bass Pro doesn’t allow unconcealed firearms in the Store. Persons concealing firearms may need to produce a concealed carry license.

Customers’ wanting to bring firearms to the gunsmith or range must check them and have a lock installed.

Enjoy The Outdoors

Ron Rupert

General Manager
 

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I would like to say that as long as this policy does check out. I will be calling Steve Kuhn myself. Then I apologise to the OC.org folks.
 

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Dustin wrote:
tittiger wrote:
Sonora Rebel wrote:
You obviously have no idea what a warrent is or how it is obtained. Fly lately? See any warrents in the hands of TSA? Private security on the owners premises can stop and frisk you on observation alone... and do. You need an attitude check... :) and a tinfoil hat.
Tin foil hat? You need to take your alzheimers meds we are talking about going into a Bass Pro shop remember grandpa?

Joe
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Tittiger, Pay attention to the terminology here. I've highlighted it.

If I own a Retail store, and Have my own secruity guards up front,

I HAVE THE RIGHT, to frisk and search ANYONE who steps foot on MY PROPERTY.

You can Refuse to the searched, & If you do refuse to be searched, then I tell you to take a hike and get off my property.

See ?
When you state it in those terms I will agree with you.

It is a shame government has usurped your right to choose if your visitors may smoke or what parking spaces that they use.

Is that not proof to you, as it is to me, that you can't own property in the US? Your right, as you call, it, to search your visitors is in reality just a permission that your owners give you.

If you had rights you would also be able to choose whether people smoked and where they parked. This is exactly my beef with many OC people who call it a right, yet they depend upon a statute to give them permission to do so. Do you depend upon a statue to go to church on Sunday or kiss your wife?

Joe
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I just talked on the phone to Mr. Kuhn. Very nice and understanding fellow. First, the manager of our local BassPro is no longer there. Second, he confirmed that the state policy is the store policy. Third, the hitch in our store may be the fact that it is on Casino land. The entrance to the casino is very clear and if the casino does not want carry they could just post it at that door.I only know of one casino in town that I go to thats posted and that is the Hard Rock. Others may be posted but I have not seen any.

He has folks checking the lease. I pointed him to our local PD website to help him understand our laws and how door posting works in NV. If the casino has something in the lease that prohibits Open Carry then thats fine. We can still CCW in places even Casinos in Vegas as long as they are not posted at every entrance. He is working on it. And no matter the outcome BassPro will be getting some more of my money again!!
 

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Vegassteve wrote:
I just talked on the phone to Mr. Kuhn. Very nice and understanding fellow. First, the manager of our local BassPro is no longer there. Second, he confirmed that the state policy is the store policy. Third, the hitch in our store may be the fact that it is on Casino land. The entrance to the casino is very clear and if the casino does not want carry they could just post it at that door.I only know of one casino in town that I go to thats posted and that is the Hard Rock. Others may be posted but I have not seen any.

He has folks checking the lease. I pointed him to our local PD website to help him understand our laws and how door posting works in NV. If the casino has something in the lease that prohibits Open Carry then thats fine. We can still CCW in places even Casinos in Vegas as long as they are not posted at every entrance. He is working on it. And no matter the outcome BassPro will be getting some more of my money again!!
If they CANNOT allow OC due to lease restrictions then I understand. BUT I will still not disarm myself to go shopping. If they were to open another store not on casino land and were able to allow OC I would shop there based upon the information contained in this thread. JMO.
 

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icode wrote:
Vegassteve wrote:
I just talked on the phone to Mr. Kuhn. Very nice and understanding fellow. First, the manager of our local BassPro is no longer there. Second, he confirmed that the state policy is the store policy. Third, the hitch in our store may be the fact that it is on Casino land. The entrance to the casino is very clear and if the casino does not want carry they could just post it at that door.I only know of one casino in town that I go to thats posted and that is the Hard Rock. Others may be posted but I have not seen any.

He has folks checking the lease. I pointed him to our local PD website to help him understand our laws and how door posting works in NV. If the casino has something in the lease that prohibits Open Carry then thats fine. We can still CCW in places even Casinos in Vegas as long as they are not posted at every entrance. He is working on it. And no matter the outcome BassPro will be getting some more of my money again!!
If they CANNOT allow OC due to lease restrictions then I understand. BUT I will still not disarm myself to go shopping. If they were to open another store not on casino land and were able to allow OC I would shop there based upon the information contained in this thread. JMO.





Well CCW would still be ok. I take it you dont have a ccw?
 

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That is correct sir, I do not. Nor do I have any plans to get one:celebrateCC is too easy, IMO OC'ing brings home the weight or reponsibility that you are strapping on every time you carry your side arm.
 

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That is correct sir, I do not. Nor do I have any plans to get one:celebrateCC is too easy, IMO OC'ing brings home the weight or reponsibility that you are strapping on every time you carry your side arm.

WOW. That is well I dont know what it is. I OC nearly everywhere but for those few times I can not, my CCW keeps me happy and armed and fully aware of the responsibility.
 

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Vegassteve wrote:
icode wrote:
That is correct sir, I do not. Nor do I have any plans to get one:celebrateCC is too easy, IMO OC'ing brings home the weight or reponsibility that you are strapping on every time you carry your side arm.

WOW. That is well I dont know what it is. I OC nearly everywhere but for those few times I can not, my CCW keeps me happy and armed and fully aware of the responsibility.
No offense meant! I have no problem with anyone who chooses to CC, I was talking about for me, personally. For me - the occasional look, etc, is a good reminder. Another forum member commented in the past "OC makes me polite", I feel the same.
 

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icode wrote:
Vegassteve wrote:
icode wrote:
That is correct sir, I do not. Nor do I have any plans to get one:celebrateCC is too easy, IMO OC'ing brings home the weight or reponsibility that you are strapping on every time you carry your side arm.

WOW. That is well I dont know what it is. I OC nearly everywhere but for those few times I can not, my CCW keeps me happy and armed and fully aware of the responsibility.
No offense meant! I have no problem with anyone who chooses to CC, I was talking about for me, personally. For me - the occasional look, etc, is a good reminder. Another forum member commented in the past "OC makes me polite", I feel the same.





And I agree as well. Armed is polite it seems. I do not understand not wanting to take the extra step and be able to go to more places and be armed.
 
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