richarcm
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When are they going to ban knives?
When are they going to ban knives?
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This doesn't seem good at all.
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kaiheitai17
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richarcm wrote:
Better yet, ban disturbed Asian students!:shock: The guy they have arrested is a 25 y.o. Chinese grad student (with the knife used, supposedly)according to a news account I just read.
DISCLAIMER!!! Please the above remark is submitted as sarcasm. Do not infer that I, in any way, would discriminate against any one based on a person's race.
richarcm wrote:
Better yet, ban disturbed Asian students!:shock: The guy they have arrested is a 25 y.o. Chinese grad student (with the knife used, supposedly)according to a news account I just read.
DISCLAIMER!!! Please the above remark is submitted as sarcasm. Do not infer that I, in any way, would discriminate against any one based on a person's race.
richarcm
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kaiheitai17 wrote:
kaiheitai17 wrote:
Sarcasm indeed however if it had been a white person it would have been tied somehow to racism and if it had been a black guy it would have been seen as typical.
PT111
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With comments like this it's no wonderpro-gun citizenshave such a hard time being taken seriously.
TexasNative
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PT111 wrote:
No, the comment uses irony to address ignorance.
Ahem.
PT111 wrote:
I'm guessing you made this comment because you're unfamiliar with the recently released iPhone application called "Sniper" that makes ballistic calculations, and people who know nothing about guns believe that you can now somehow connect your iPhone to your Remington 700 .30-06 and hit a soda can from 2 miles. Or something much more nefarious.
No, the comment uses irony to address ignorance.
Ahem.
PT111
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TexasNative wrote:
No I am makiing the comment because it is stupid. The VT president never said such a thing and to make fun of someone being stabbed to death is just what the antis want. This murder had nothing to do with OC or guns and does nothing to either promote or hinder the OC on campus cause. It was simply a case of two people that knew each other getting into some kind of disagreement and one killing the other with a knife. If both of them had been armed there would still be at least one person dead and probably the same person that died. remember if OC is allowed on campus then that doesn't mean that the BG's won't stillhave guns.
This incident is tragic and to be making fun of it like several are is even more tragic.
TexasNative wrote:
No I am makiing the comment because it is stupid. The VT president never said such a thing and to make fun of someone being stabbed to death is just what the antis want. This murder had nothing to do with OC or guns and does nothing to either promote or hinder the OC on campus cause. It was simply a case of two people that knew each other getting into some kind of disagreement and one killing the other with a knife. If both of them had been armed there would still be at least one person dead and probably the same person that died. remember if OC is allowed on campus then that doesn't mean that the BG's won't stillhave guns.
This incident is tragic and to be making fun of it like several are is even more tragic.
TFred
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PT111 wrote:
Currently VT does not allow students to carry self defense weapons. While it is correct that carrying a self defense weapon does not guarantee that you will survive a domestic attack like this, it is certain that being unarmed due to school policy significantly diminishes your chances for surviving that same attack.
I think this thread is entirely appropriate on this forum, as it just screams one more data point that VT policy is leaving law- (or in this case rule-) abiding citizens defenseless and at the mercy of criminal attackers.
JMHO.
TFred
PT111 wrote:
Just a thought, I suspect that many folks here will disagree with your assessment that this "had nothing to do with OC or guns".
Currently VT does not allow students to carry self defense weapons. While it is correct that carrying a self defense weapon does not guarantee that you will survive a domestic attack like this, it is certain that being unarmed due to school policy significantly diminishes your chances for surviving that same attack.
I think this thread is entirely appropriate on this forum, as it just screams one more data point that VT policy is leaving law- (or in this case rule-) abiding citizens defenseless and at the mercy of criminal attackers.
JMHO.
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SouthernBoy
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They were both Chinese. She was decapitated. Don't know if he killed her before this or if this was the cause of death. Sad situation.
They were both Chinese. She was decapitated. Don't know if he killed her before this or if this was the cause of death. Sad situation.
HardChrome
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According to Pilotonline, he decapitate the victim while others stood helpless watching. I would not have been idly standing had I been there. I would have given the guy some education on the history of Belgium via an introduction to John Browning.
According to Pilotonline, he decapitate the victim while others stood helpless watching. I would not have been idly standing had I been there. I would have given the guy some education on the history of Belgium via an introduction to John Browning.
rlh2005
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HardChrome wrote:
HardChrome wrote:
WTF?!
Bill in VA
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SaltH2OHokie
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My friend is the captain of the rescue squad. He said he was dealing with this past 3am. I feel very sorry for him having to deal with the deaths of almost 40 people on campus since he's gotten here, especially such violent deaths. Right before Christmas break a student was skateboarding down a hill and died from a head injury when he fell...college seems more dangerous than I thought...that one never made the news.
My friend is the captain of the rescue squad. He said he was dealing with this past 3am. I feel very sorry for him having to deal with the deaths of almost 40 people on campus since he's gotten here, especially such violent deaths. Right before Christmas break a student was skateboarding down a hill and died from a head injury when he fell...college seems more dangerous than I thought...that one never made the news.
HardChrome
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You just did it for me.
You just did it for me.
SouthernBoy
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rlh2005 wrote:
So if people stood around watching this guy cut through a young woman's neck and did nothing for perhaps up to a minute or so, you really have to wonder about them.
rlh2005 wrote:
What I read said he used a kitchen knife. If this is true, first question is what constitutes a "kitchen" knife in this instant case? Beheading someone with such an instrument takes a little time.. it is not likely to be over in a matter of seconds. More like close to a minute. And this is if you know what you're doing.
So if people stood around watching this guy cut through a young woman's neck and did nothing for perhaps up to a minute or so, you really have to wonder about them.
PT111
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SouthernBoy wrote:
I agree and I would not have needed a gun to do something. I really don't believe that I would stand by claiming I was helpless just because I don't have a gun on me. I still have two hands and some strength left so this whole idea of needing to be armed is bravado.
SouthernBoy wrote:
I agree and I would not have needed a gun to do something. I really don't believe that I would stand by claiming I was helpless just because I don't have a gun on me. I still have two hands and some strength left so this whole idea of needing to be armed is bravado.
Repeater
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SouthernBoy wrote:
You're right. This evil act could not have transpired in mere seconds. However many students there were, they either fled screaming or stood there terrified. Apparently, no one chose to help, to intervene.
See what happens when self-reliance becomes government reliance?
SouthernBoy wrote:
Students have become Sheeple.
You're right. This evil act could not have transpired in mere seconds. However many students there were, they either fled screaming or stood there terrified. Apparently, no one chose to help, to intervene.
See what happens when self-reliance becomes government reliance?
SouthernBoy
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To both of you gentlemen who responded to my above post, thank you. As a father of two daughters, both now grown, and one of whom graduated from Tech, I just cannot imagine how I would feel about this had it been one of mine. The refusal of so many people across our nation to believe that there are truly evil people out there who have no compunction about injuring, maiming, and killing innocent victims is amazing to me. While we don't know now, and may never know, what led up the this horrible event, the fact remains that a brutal, heinous murder was committed in our state. For others to stand around and let this happen, is unconscionable at best, and morally reprehensible for certain.
God rest her soul.
To both of you gentlemen who responded to my above post, thank you. As a father of two daughters, both now grown, and one of whom graduated from Tech, I just cannot imagine how I would feel about this had it been one of mine. The refusal of so many people across our nation to believe that there are truly evil people out there who have no compunction about injuring, maiming, and killing innocent victims is amazing to me. While we don't know now, and may never know, what led up the this horrible event, the fact remains that a brutal, heinous murder was committed in our state. For others to stand around and let this happen, is unconscionable at best, and morally reprehensible for certain.
God rest her soul.
TFred
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Below is the most detailed article I've seen so far. The students were well aquainted, the victim had listed the accused as one of her emergency contacts. The accused had been here since last fall, the victim only arrived about two weeks ago. They were having coffee, not arguing, when the attack suddenly ensued. I suspect it will emerge to be some sort of a domestic issue. Given these details, IMO it is extremely unlikely that a rule allowing students to carry on campus would have made a difference here.
TFred
Victim of Virginia Tech slaying was decapitated
By SUE LINDSEY
BLACKSBURG, Va. (AP) — A graduate student from China was decapitated with a kitchen knife in a campus cafe at Virginia Tech by another graduate student who knew her, police said Thursday.
Xin Yang, 22, was killed Wednesday night after arriving at the campus from Beijing on Jan. 8 to begin studying accounting, Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said.
Her accused attacker, 25-year-old Haiyang Zhu of Ningbo, China, knew the victim but no motive for the slaying has been determined, Flinchum said. School records showed that Haiyang was listed as one of Xin's emergency contacts.
Haiyang was charged with first-degree murder and was being held without bond at the Montgomery County Jail. His attorney, Stephanie Cox, did not immediately return a call seeking comment.
Haiyang and Xin had been having coffee in a cafe in the Graduate Life Center, where Xin was living. About seven other people who were in the coffee shop told police that the two hadn't been arguing before the attack.
Police received two 911 calls shortly after 7 p.m. Wednesday, Flinchum said, and were on the scene in a little more than a minute to take Haiyang into custody.
Flinchum said Haiyang was not known to the campus police or to the university team that deals with mentally disturbed students.
University officials said Haiyang arrived on campus last fall and was a Ph.D. student in agricultural and applied economics.
The stabbing was the first killing on campus since a mass killing on campus in 2007, when a student gunman shot 32 people and then took his own life.
"An act of violence like this brings back memories of April 16," university President Charles Steger said. "I have no doubt that many of us feel especially distraught."
University spokesman Larry Hincker said a campus alert system put in place after the mass shootings by Seung-Hui Cho in 2007 sent out messages to 30,000 subscribers by e-mail, text messages and telephone voice mails Wednesday night.
Because a suspect was in custody, the messages were sent out as notifications rather than as emergency alerts, he said.
Virginia Gov. Timothy M. Kaine offered condolences to the campus.
"My thoughts and prayers are with the friends and family of Xin Yang today — and with the broader Virginia Tech community," he said in a statement. "The tragic attack on campus this week has no doubt revived terrible memories for countless members of the Hokie family."
Below is the most detailed article I've seen so far. The students were well aquainted, the victim had listed the accused as one of her emergency contacts. The accused had been here since last fall, the victim only arrived about two weeks ago. They were having coffee, not arguing, when the attack suddenly ensued. I suspect it will emerge to be some sort of a domestic issue. Given these details, IMO it is extremely unlikely that a rule allowing students to carry on campus would have made a difference here.
TFred
Victim of Virginia Tech slaying was decapitated
By SUE LINDSEY
BLACKSBURG, Va. (AP) — A graduate student from China was decapitated with a kitchen knife in a campus cafe at Virginia Tech by another graduate student who knew her, police said Thursday.
Xin Yang, 22, was killed Wednesday night after arriving at the campus from Beijing on Jan. 8 to begin studying accounting, Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said.
Her accused attacker, 25-year-old Haiyang Zhu of Ningbo, China, knew the victim but no motive for the slaying has been determined, Flinchum said. School records showed that Haiyang was listed as one of Xin's emergency contacts.
Haiyang was charged with first-degree murder and was being held without bond at the Montgomery County Jail. His attorney, Stephanie Cox, did not immediately return a call seeking comment.
Haiyang and Xin had been having coffee in a cafe in the Graduate Life Center, where Xin was living. About seven other people who were in the coffee shop told police that the two hadn't been arguing before the attack.
Police received two 911 calls shortly after 7 p.m. Wednesday, Flinchum said, and were on the scene in a little more than a minute to take Haiyang into custody.
Flinchum said Haiyang was not known to the campus police or to the university team that deals with mentally disturbed students.
University officials said Haiyang arrived on campus last fall and was a Ph.D. student in agricultural and applied economics.
The stabbing was the first killing on campus since a mass killing on campus in 2007, when a student gunman shot 32 people and then took his own life.
"An act of violence like this brings back memories of April 16," university President Charles Steger said. "I have no doubt that many of us feel especially distraught."
University spokesman Larry Hincker said a campus alert system put in place after the mass shootings by Seung-Hui Cho in 2007 sent out messages to 30,000 subscribers by e-mail, text messages and telephone voice mails Wednesday night.
Because a suspect was in custody, the messages were sent out as notifications rather than as emergency alerts, he said.
Virginia Gov. Timothy M. Kaine offered condolences to the campus.
"My thoughts and prayers are with the friends and family of Xin Yang today — and with the broader Virginia Tech community," he said in a statement. "The tragic attack on campus this week has no doubt revived terrible memories for countless members of the Hokie family."
HardChrome
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My guess is that there is more to this story they we are reading. I find it hard to believe that seven other people could not find some way to intervene.
My guess is that there is more to this story they we are reading. I find it hard to believe that seven other people could not find some way to intervene.
leprechaun117
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HardChrome wrote:
I'm not suprised at all that 7 people CHOSE not to intervene. I'm sure they all have hands and enough stregnth to swing a chair.
HardChrome wrote:
I'm not suprised at all that 7 people CHOSE not to intervene. I'm sure they all have hands and enough stregnth to swing a chair.