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    Hey ya'll,
    I was wondering if anyone has used the online chp course in Prince William county? Did they accept? The reason I'm asking is cause wife is planning on goin down to North Carolina and possibly South Carolina and I'd prefer if she was able to carry for I won't be able to go with her due to work. Thanks in advance for anyhelp.

    Sorry if this was asked else where. I looked through the older threads that I found involving the online course and didn't see anything.


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    gotsig try a search within this forum and you may have some luck. It seems to me that PWC is one of the counties that has resisted the useage of the online course, but I can't say for sure.

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    PWC accepts.. I know people that have taken it there.. and a law was passed.. all of Virginia has to accept it by law... make them follow it!
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    Thank you very much. I'll I have her do it tonight.

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    ed wrote:
    PWC accepts.. I know people that have taken it there.. and a law was passed.. all of Virginia has to accept it by law... make them follow it!
    That's cool, thanks for the info Ed. My wife has been wanting to take it, but it's hard for her to find the time. A online course would really help.

    I'm off to Google it now.....lol

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    Argus Eyed wrote:
    ed wrote:
    PWC accepts.. I know people that have taken it there.. and a law was passed.. all of Virginia has to accept it by law... make them follow it!
    That's cool, thanks for the info Ed. My wife has been wanting to take it, but it's hard for her to find the time. A online course would really help.

    I'm off to Google it now.....lol
    Here is a link to the online course;
    http://www.concealed-carry.net/HIL23501

    My wife took it takes about an hour.
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    ed wrote:
    PWC accepts.. I know people that have taken it there..* and a law was passed.. all of Virginia has to accept it by law... make them follow it!
    It is my understanding that it will be a law as of July 1, 2009.

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    The wife just finished taking it a few hours ago and passed. But boy was that video hell to watch. the safety rules were weird- keep your finger off the trigger till you are going to fire(ok thats one thats i always have heard and used) #2 keep your weapons pointed in a safe direction( round about way of one that i use and hear at every range, but down is only a safe direction in the woods he kinda makes it sound like) #3 keep your weapon unloaded until you intend to use it( which I have never heard).

    He also seemed pretty anti OC implying almost that if you OC you will either have the cops called on you or get kicked out of wherever you are patronizing. Then he goes to say that you have to OC in a ABC on site restraunt or leave it behind.



    But anyways the wife went to the court in Manassas to turn in her application. Which was $50 and no fingerprints or SSN which when I did mine back when we first got to VA in 07 they made me give my SSN and fingerprints but i didn't know better. So now hopefully she gets in time for her trip.





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    Those are the three safety rules (as opposed to the four rules many of us are used to) as taught in NRA courses.

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    Oh ok. I was just curious about that since in every class I have had and then well in the military the only of those that I have heard was keeping your finger straight and off the trigger which is well common sense then in a round about way the keep your weapon pointed in a safe direction.





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    gotsig wrote:
    He also seemed pretty anti OC implying almost that if you OC you will either have the cops called on you or get kicked out of wherever you are patronizing. Then he goes to say that you have to OC in a ABC on site restraunt or leave it behind.
    True. And I've never been kicked out of anywhere, though some others have.
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    he probably made it sound like 'down was only safe in the woods' because at a range, especially indoors, down is usually where concrete and other hard, ricochet-prone surfaces are.. the only truly safe direction is downrange.. outside the ground is probably safer, as there is no known good downrange, there could always be other hunters or people beyond where you can easily see..

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    leprechaun117 wrote:
    ed wrote:
    PWC accepts.. I know people that have taken it there.. and a law was passed.. all of Virginia has to accept it by law... make them follow it!
    It is my understanding that it will be a law as of July 1, 2009.
    Details, Details..

    Many people on other posts have gone to www.VirginiaCHPtraining.com and never had a problem. I have only heard of two cases that had an issue (in Charlottesville) and had they even pushed back a little I am sure it would have been resolved. Now July 1st is "almost" 45 days away. So if they decline you because of that.. you walk in July 1st and say HAND OVER MY PERMIT or talk to my attorney.

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    I understand what he was sayingit's just how he worded it, he made it sound like it's unsafe to carry a pistol in a holster( sorry I nit pick things sometimes to much or think about them more in depth then what they were getting at I guess word be what I'm getting at). but hey it was better then having to go find a class a work around our schedule to get my wife in it so she can get her permit, and I already know she can she shoot for only shooting her xd40 a couple times she can damn near outshoot me with it.





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    When I got home last night, I told my wife that she can take the CHP class online. But to my suprise :shock:shedoesn't think taking a CHP class online is a good idea. She said that if someone wants to CC they should at least go to the class in person and show that you have the knowledge (she knows you have to take a test online) and to demonstrate your ability on the shooting range. I guess she will just have to find the time and go in person and take the class.

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    Whether you take the class online, or at a gun show there is no range time. While I agree someone with no shooting experience needs to have range time training, an experienced shooter should be able to take the class without range time. I also believe CHP holders need to have regular practice at the range.
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    No range time? Maybe it's different now. When I got my CHP about 5 or 6 years ago. I had to shoot (If I remember correctly) 25 rounds at the end of the course. I do agree thatCHP holders need to have regular practice at the range.

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    There isno requirement for range time to get a CHP in VA. Although I personally believe everyone who has a CHP should have shooting experience and practice regularly.
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    ed wrote:
    leprechaun117 wrote:
    ed wrote:
    PWC accepts.. I know people that have taken it there..* and a law was passed.. all of Virginia has to accept it by law... make them follow it!
    It is my understanding that it will be a law as of July 1, 2009.
    Details, Details..

    Many people on other posts have gone to www.VirginiaCHPtraining.com and never had a problem.* I have only heard of two cases that had an issue (in Charlottesville) and had they even pushed back a little I am sure it would have been resolved. Now July 1st is "almost" 45 days away. So if they decline you because of that.. you walk in July 1st and say HAND OVER MY PERMIT or talk to my attorney.
    Law vs. not law isn't exactly "details." My buddy "pushed back" as hard as was possible without paying for a lawyer. Even the VCDL told him to just wait till July 1st. Charlottesville has no problem with the online class, Albemarle County does.

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    Wow.... $39.99 to take th online course (in approximately 1 hour) without firing a shot, or pay approximately $50 and take a course from a NRA certified instructor that includes a bit of range time. Hmmmm which to pick? I really can't believe that the state approved a course that doesnt even have any requirement for the student to "show proficiency" instead they have a here ya go attitude. I cant wait to read in the paper the first time one of these "Concealed Handgun Permit Firearms Safety Class" graduates from The Concealed Carry Instituteshow up in court for a firearm related incident and blame the state cause they didnt need to show proficiency. ugggggggggggggg

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    Wolf_shadow wrote:
    There isno requirement for range time to get a CHP in VA. Although I personally believe everyone who has a CHP should have shooting experience and practice regularly.
    Wolf........ your quite correct if you took a NRA Basic Pistol or First Steps Course. Also no self respecting instructor would ever sign his/her name to a certificate without ensuring their student could in fact show proficiency with their/any firearm.

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    Argus Eyed wrote:
    No range time? Maybe it's different now. When I got my CHP about 5 or 6 years ago. I had to shoot (If I remember correctly) 25 rounds at the end of the course. I do agree thatCHP holders need to have regular practice at the range.
    oppssss ment this to go to Argus not Wolf..

    Argus.........your quite correct if you took a NRA Basic Pistol or First Steps Course. Also no self respecting instructor would ever sign his/her name to a certificate without ensuring their student could in fact show proficiency with their/any firearm.

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    Even before the passage of this law, there was no requirement to demonstrate proficiency with a firearm. A hunter safety course, where no firearm is touched or even present, and firearms are barely discussed, is sufficient to satisfy current law.

    If we want to get into a discussion about requiring training to be able to carry a gun, that's a whole 'nuther subject. But judges were abusing the existing law by not allowing an online course, taught by an NRA certified instructor, to serve as the training requirement for a CHP. This just closed the "loophole" that anti-gun rights judges were trying to use to circumvent the will of the Virginia legislators.

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    I cant wait to read in the paper the first time one of these "Concealed Handgun Permit Firearms Safety Class" graduates from The Concealed Carry Instituteshow up in court for a firearm related incident and blame the state cause they didnt need to show proficiency.
    That's where you're going awry, Alex. These are not "Concealed Handgun Permit Firearms Safety Classes," they're whatever classes they are. The classes are not designed or intended to teach you how to conceal carry (other than possibly the Personal Protection Outside the Home course, but even that's not necessarily for concealed carry).

    Here are the training requirements for a Virginia CHP:
    1. Completing any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries or a similar agency of another state;
    2. Completing any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;
    3. Completing any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law-enforcement agency, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association or the Department of Criminal Justice Services;
    4. Completing any law-enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;
    5. Presenting evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or current military service or proof of an honorable discharge from any branch of the armed services;
    6. Obtaining or previously having held a license to carry a firearm in this Commonwealth or a locality thereof, unless such license has been revoked for cause;
    7. Completing any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor;
    8. Completing any governmental police agency firearms training course and qualifying to carry a firearm in the course of normal police duties; or
    9. Completing any other firearms training which the court deems adequate.
    Do you see the words "range" or "proficiency" in there anywhere?

    It's the law, judges were abusing the law, so the legislature clarified the law to specifically allow online courses. If you want to debate having to prove to the Commonwealth that you can safely handle a gun before you get a permit, that's a different discussion entirely, and many folks here will gladly eat your lunch over that argument.

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    AJG wrote:
    Wow.... $39.99 to take th online course (in approximately 1 hour) without firing a shot, or pay approximately $50 and take a course from a NRA certified instructor that includes a bit of range time. Hmmmm which to pick? I really can't believe that the state approved a course that doesnt even have any requirement for the student to "show proficiency" instead they have a here ya go attitude. I cant wait to read in the paper the first time one of these "Concealed Handgun Permit Firearms Safety Class" graduates from The Concealed Carry Instituteshow up in court for a firearm related incident and blame the state cause they didnt need to show proficiency. ugggggggggggggg

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    Now I see your beef about it all. You are worried about it taking food out of your mouth. You should promote it and help put food IN your mouth. Send all your former students an e-mail that says go to www.VirginiaCHPtraining.com and that youwill take them on live fire training after they get the basics down..

    I too am an NRA CertifiedInstructor and RSOas well as a USMC Rifle and Pistol "expert" Ohh Rahh and Semper Fi..

    but I think that the onlien course is great.And.. it has nothing to do with if it is a good course or not.. it has to do with the course beaing LEGAL and the courts not following the LAW like Texas Native said.


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