Shots Fired at National Holocaust Museum in D.C.

Flyer22 · Jun 10, 2009

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MSNBC actually did a very good job on this story.

Washington Police Chief Cathy Lanier said the gunman was "engaged by security guards immediately after entering the door" with a rifle.

Those guards better watch out, or Lanier will arrest them for using their guns. (Or at least wish that she could.)

The weapon was a .22-caliber rifle, they added.

Weird. Isn't a .22 a hunting rifle? I thought that there were only two kinds of rifles that could kill people--.50's and assault weapons.

A museum official said a couple of thousand people were inside the facility when the shooting broke out, just before 1 p.m. ET.

Now to get serious--that fact that only ONE person was killed out of so many shows very clearly how useful an armed population is. In this case, a populationconsisting only of security guards was sufficient, but that has more to do with the fact that the Holocaust Museum takes security very seriously than anything else.

PT111 · Jun 10, 2009

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Task Force 16 wrote:

PT111 wrote:

Ironic if I read it correctly everyone that got shot in this incident had a gun. That goes to reason that if more people had been armed then more people would have gotten shot. :shock:

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Gotta love satire.

This was satire, wasn't it?

LOL - It makes as much sense as a lot of the arguments you hear from both pro and anti gun people. There was a little book published back in the 60's titled How to Lie With Statistics. This would be a good example for that.

Alexcabbie · Jun 10, 2009

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Oh for cryin in the grog. Doesn't anyone recognize an idiot rumor when they hear one?? This is the story of a lone nutbar who walked into a situation where inadequately trained guards realizzed too late whwt was up. The BG was an IDIOT as bgs often are. And I repeat. If he ahd really been prepared to do max damage, a homemade bomb - made from easily obtainable and impossible to regulate materials would have killed many more. But the antis - who are not concerned with ANYONE'S safety will make this out as a "nut with a gun" issue.

Oh the Left, which seeks to disarm We The People, will try and make hay from this and no doubt about it. But the fact is that had this nut had a bomb instead of a gun, many mote wouldd have perished. The armed private guards who stopped this nutball could have IMO stopped him sooner had they been adequately trained in spotting and dealing with threats. HE BROUGHT A RIFLE INTO CLOSE QUATRTERS AT A NUTCASE SOFT TARGET!!! hOW THE EFF DID HE DO THAT??? I am mystified as to how he was avle to smuggle a wepon down the street on a hot, muggy summer day and get as far as he did without a security "professional" detecting something fishy

Right now the omly things I know for sure are that getting into and out of DCis gonna be a mess right ino rush hour. That and I'm gonna have a lot of interesting conversatios with Antis in the next few days.. Hep' me Lawd. Hep' me.

Task Force 16 · Jun 10, 2009

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Hey, maybe this idiot was hired by the Brady Bunch to pull off this attack, just to give credence to their agenda. They are getting desperate, ya know.

DoubleR · Jun 11, 2009

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...how he was able to smuggle a weapon down the street...

He double-parked his red car right in front of the museum's entrance. Wish I could find the photo - still diggin' for it. I do agree that the outside perimiter of the building wassoft.

hsmith · Jun 11, 2009

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Back to the Israeli Military, I cannot get confirmation on that, so I put no stock in it. The originial report I heard is junk.

Alexcabbie wrote:

Oh for cryin in the grog. Doesn't anyone recognize an idiot rumor when they hear one?? This is the story of a lone nutbar who walked into a situation where inadequately trained guards realizzed too late whwt was up. The BG was an IDIOT as bgs often are. And I repeat. If he ahd really been prepared to do max damage, a homemade bomb - made from easily obtainable and impossible to regulate materials would have killed many more. But the antis - who are not concerned with ANYONE'S safety will make this out as a "nut with a gun" issue.

Oh the Left, which seeks to disarm We The People, will try and make hay from this and no doubt about it. But the fact is that had this nut had a bomb instead of a gun, many mote wouldd have perished. The armed private guards who stopped this nutball could have IMO stopped him sooner had they been adequately trained in spotting and dealing with threats. HE BROUGHT A RIFLE INTO CLOSE QUATRTERS AT A NUTCASE SOFT TARGET!!! hOW THE EFF DID HE DO THAT??? I am mystified as to how he was avle to smuggle a wepon down the street on a hot, muggy summer day and get as far as he did without a security "professional" detecting something fishy

Right now the omly things I know for sure are that getting into and out of DCis gonna be a mess right ino rush hour. That and I'm gonna have a lot of interesting conversatios with Antis in the next few days.. Hep' me Lawd. Hep' me.

He was stopped on the street walking by a guard at the Holocaust Museum, he told the guard the firearm belonged to the museum and was returning it. :uhoh:

trailblazer2003 · Jun 11, 2009

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hsmith wrote:

He was stopped on the street walking by a guard at the Holocaust Museum, he told the guard the firearm belonged to the museum and was returning it. :uhoh:

Your kidding right?

hsmith · Jun 11, 2009

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trailblazer2003 wrote:

hsmith wrote:

He was stopped on the street walking by a guard at the Holocaust Museum, he told the guard the firearm belonged to the museum and was returning it. :uhoh:

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Your kidding right?

Comes from people on the scene (who also couldn't validate the original story i heard about Israeli military).

Alexcabbie · Jun 11, 2009

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Actually the nutbar told them he was returning a book, not the rifle. Still haven't found out what kind it was, latest is "a small-caliber early 1900s vintage" firearm. That isnt a lot of info because .223 Rem is a "small caliber" diameter-wise.

I repeat what baffles me is that he was wearing a COAT in the SUFFOCATING HEAT. Plus, he was wearing a "Confederate" (gray) Kepi hat. Let' review:

1. Long coat worn in summer heat = :shock:

2. Same worn in summer in the area of a desirable soft terror target =:shock::shock:

3. (1) AND (2) PLUS a Confederate article of uniform = :shock::shock::shock::what:

And a double parked car? He should have been surrounded and interrogated the second he hit the sidewalk I think you can look up USAF Manual 125-3 for the proper two-man questioning position Rennie Pommerelle, my old Security Police Apprehension and Restraint Techniques Sgt. at the SP academy must be rolling his eyes at this.

SlackwareRobert · Jun 11, 2009

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88 year old man, 100 year old rifle. 50+ years of idiot lawmakers.
If he had only asked for directions instead of double parking none of this would
have happened. Police would have jumped him on the spot.
I just hope we don't learn he drove through Maryland with the rifle loaded,
that would be unforgivable.

But 88 with a .22 and still hit two targets. Bet it was the cover hiding behind
his walker that slowed the response.
Any chance the response was slowed by BHO disarming the DC police when
not on duty?
It won't bother me if they do a public demonstration of the ovens with this guy.

Just heard the guards union asked for vests 2 years ago, and didn't get them.

Chaingun81 · Jun 11, 2009

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SlackwareRobert wrote:

88 year old man, 100 year old rifle. 50+ years of idiot lawmakers.
If he had only asked for directions instead of double parking none of this would
have happened. Police would have jumped him on the spot.
I just hope we don't learn he drove through Maryland with the rifle loaded,
that would be unforgivable.

But 88 with a .22 and still hit two targets. Bet it was the cover hiding behind
his walker that slowed the response.
Any chance the response was slowed by BHO disarming the DC police when
not on duty?
It won't bother me if they do a public demonstration of the ovens with this guy.

Just heard the guards union asked for vests 2 years ago, and didn't get them.

I'm surprised they managed to get guns on duty. I mean what is the use for guns in non-LEO hands in DC, the home of best LE and lowest crime in the world, right? They would just start shooting each other over aruments and traffic accidents. /Sarcasm off/

Seriously speaking, I don't think that all museum guards are armed. I think last time I was in a Smithonian museum on the Mall, guards only had pepper spray or something...

ixtow · Jun 11, 2009

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Just more proof that the media lies. We all know that since all guns are banned in DC, this never happened.

PT111 · Jun 11, 2009

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Shouldn't a law abiding citizen be allowed to walk around in a long coat if he want to without being hassled by the cops? Is wearing a long coat in the summer enough for a Terry Stop? If he had been walking down the streets of Fairfax instead of DC and stopped there would have been 3 pages of protests calling for the cops badge.

ixtow · Jun 11, 2009

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PT111 wrote:

Shouldn't a law abiding citizen be allowed to walk around in a long coat if he want to without being hassled by the cops? Is wearing a long coat in the summer enough for a Terry Stop? If he had been walking down the streets of Fairfax instead of DC and stopped there would have been 3 pages of protests calling for the cops badge.

Good point, cuz, cops like that don't need no steenkin' badges!

Ha! I found a way to use it!

ixtow · Jun 11, 2009

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Alexcabbie wrote:

Actually the nutbar told them he was returning a book, not the rifle. Still haven't found out what kind it was, latest is "a small-caliber early 1900s vintage" firearm. That isnt a lot of info because .223 Rem is a "small caliber" diameter-wise.

I repeat what baffles me is that he was wearing a COAT in the SUFFOCATING HEAT. Plus, he was wearing a "Confederate" (gray) Kepi hat. Let' review:

1. Long coat worn in summer heat = :shock:

2. Same worn in summer in the area of a desirable soft terror target =:shock::shock:

3. (1) AND (2) PLUS a Confederate article of uniform = :shock::shock::shock::what:

And a double parked car? He should have been surrounded and interrogated the second he hit the sidewalk I think you can look up USAF Manual 125-3 for the proper two-man questioning position Rennie Pommerelle, my old Security Police Apprehension and Restraint Techniques Sgt. at the SP academy must be rolling his eyes at this.

I wear BDUs in 98 degrees, 100% humidity. Sometimes with a shirt that has guns and gun sayings on it. And, a gun!!! And sometimes, I'm all sweaty and dirty. And, worst of all, I buy LOTS of diesel fuel!

And I definitely mock people who preserve tragedy while causing another just like it by being total hypocrites.

Sometimes, I even walk around being NOT Jewish... [gasp]

Oh Ehm Gee! Come and get me!

Alexcabbie · Jun 12, 2009

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PT111 wrote:

Shouldn't a law abiding citizen be allowed to walk around in a long coat if he want to without being hassled by the cops? Is wearing a long coat in the summer enough for a Terry Stop? If he had been walking down the streets of Fairfax instead of DC and stopped there would have been 3 pages of protests calling for the cops badge.

On the streets of Fairfax a guy wearing an overcoat in the summer heat would be seen as a nutbar. There may be a few exceptions, but 99.9% of the time some random guy walking around in humid 80+ degree temps in a long coat is at a minimum a screwball. And were I a cop I might be a bit worried for his welfare and struck up a casual conversation such as: "Hey you okay? You sick, got the chills? No harm done, some people who get sick get chills in the heat, maybe the guy needs some help. Now at the outset, no "probable cause" for a "Terry stop", but if the dude (or, let's not be sexist, dudette) is up to no good, he/she will very reliably supply all the PC the cop needs to investigate further.

Alexcabbie · Jun 12, 2009

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A letter written to the Washington Post this morning shows what we are up against. Some lady decried the fact that "as usual the shooter's motives will be mulled over and his methods ignored". Then she said that hate and ignorance will "always be with us' but as long as "we continue to supply" firearms to bigots, ppeople will continue to die. :banghead:

This kind of sophomoric thinking is exactly why we have the political climate and politicians we do today. Because as usual Antis will dip their hankies in the blood of the dead and wave them around, and the fact that the presence of a firearm stops massacres cold will be roundly ignored.

Sonora Rebel · Jun 12, 2009

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James Von Brunn is a rather well known anti-semite, anti-Black... or rather... 'Jew Hater/Race Baiter' from Annapolis., MD. He was a LT (USNR)... PT boat skipper in WWII. He's rather an icon on the 'Storm Front' forum... 'n prob'ly half a dozen other White Supremacy, Nazi -wanna be groups. He'd written a book... ‘Kill the Best Gentiles!” According to its preface, its purpose it “to present WHITE YOUTH” with factual information to explain that an “age old CONSPIRACY does exist to destroy Western Civilisation.”

He hada blog of his own... full of 'ravings'.

Of course... he's immediately labled a 'Right Wing Extremist' (altho the Nazi's were Socialists / Facists... not capitalists at all.) Apparently the guard opened the door for Von Brunn 'n was shot immediately. The other guard (or guards) opened fire on Von Brunn at the entrance.Too bad they didn't kill him. Fortunatly (for us) he didn't use a (Gasp) handgun. As a convicted felon... he was barred from possession of firearms anyway... so much for the 'Law'. I dunno 'bout the Reb kepi... or whatever... 'Seems to fit the Israeli military rumor. He's a nutcase... left/right/middle or outer space...

Of course... he 'fits' perfectly into the Left's 'RWE" agenda...so they've played this to the hilt. Von Brunn is a loon... and was well known to the Feds.

2a4all · Jun 12, 2009

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Sonora Rebel wrote:

...The other guard (or guards) opened fire on Von Brunn at the entrance.Too bad they didn't kill him....

In so doing, the armed guards at the entrance prevented a massacre.

Guns do indeed save lives!

ixtow · Jun 12, 2009

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Sonora Rebel wrote:

James Von Brunn is a rather well known anti-semite, anti-Black... or rather... 'Jew Hater/Race Baiter' from Annapolis., MD. He was a LT (USNR)... PT boat skipper in WWII. He's rather an icon on the 'Storm Front' forum... 'n prob'ly half a dozen other White Supremacy, Nazi -wanna be groups. He'd written a book... ‘Kill the Best Gentiles!” According to its preface, its purpose it “to present WHITE YOUTH” with factual information to explain that an “age old CONSPIRACY does exist to destroy Western Civilisation.”

He hada blog of his own... full of 'ravings'.

Of course... he's immediately labled a 'Right Wing Extremist' (altho the Nazi's were Socialists / Facists... not capitalists at all.) Apparently the guard opened the door for Von Brunn 'n was shot immediately. The other guard (or guards) opened fire on Von Brunn at the entrance.Too bad they didn't kill him. Fortunatly (for us) he didn't use a (Gasp) handgun. As a convicted felon... he was barred from possession of firearms anyway... so much for the 'Law'. I dunno 'bout the Reb kepi... or whatever... 'Seems to fit the Israeli military rumor. He's a nutcase... left/right/middle or outer space...

Of course... he 'fits' perfectly into the Left's 'RWE" agenda...so they've played this to the hilt. Von Brunn is a loon... and was well known to the Feds.

I'm most intrigued by his choice of weapon.

The man may have had a lot of ideas I don't completely agree with, but he was clearly a thinking man to have had them.

Something doesn't add up about using a .22lr rifle. And, using it up-close. It doesn't make sense. If he hates Jews and wants to kill them, surely, he could find a better tool and method? Were not many examples outlined in that very establishment? the reported method/tool not only fails to add up, but is self-defeating and contradictory.

One can say "well, he was just a crazy" and walk away from the discussion, but it leaves this VERY curious oddity unanswered. Was he drunk, or on speed or something? He clearly put a lot of thought into his ideas, even if we here may call them wrong. While hating Jews may not be out of character, using a very ineffective weapon in a very ineffective way, is definitely not in sync with the evidence of his lifestyle and mindset.

This is the opposite of adding up. Adding down, shall I call it? We're missing something.

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