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    We better close down all of the ranges now. They must all be evil! Probably shouldn't say that, i'm sure officials are already looking into that.

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    Is it possible that all they had for rent was Hi-Points and these people were just too embarassed to go on living after being seen firing one?

    OKAY!!! Before all you HiPoint folks jump in my S*&t that was a JOKE. This is a grave situation (no joke) and the opposite of gravity is comedy. :celebrate:celebrate:celebrate

    Why would someone RENT a firearm to commit suicide? To save money over buying one seeing as he'll only use it once, like a tux? :celebrate Talk about a cheapskate! :celebrate

    But seriously (and really) suicidal types are a dime a dozen. People jump off the Duke Ellington Bridge onto Rock Creek Parkway all the time. In fact I bet the proportion of people who have walked over that bridge to the number who have only walked halfway across is lower than the proportion of folks who have gone to a range and had a good time enjoying shooting to the very few poor souls who chose a range for self-elimination from the rat race.

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    Well, at least he only offed himself. I just feel sorry for his friends and family, not to mention the poor guy that had to clean it up.

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    Talk about a selfish, inconsiderate slug! He robbed the range owner of days of business, blocked local shooters from enjoying their sport, and worst of all - forced some poor soul to clean up his mess.

    Contempt all around - his for those he deserted and from us for his cowardly and selfish exit.

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    In a societal sense, why would the location of a suicide make a difference?

    Should we give special attention to bridges just because people jump off them? Tall buildings? Should we mandate that allresidential car garages have carbon monoxide detectors wired to 911 auto-diallers in case someone tries to kill himself.

    I can understand the gun range requiring a suicide waiver and related damages recovery clause in the rental agreement; but I can't see the press fuss as being legitimate.
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    Now I know why I get these weird feelings every time I go to the local range. It must be something to do with the chemicals they are putting in the gunpowder. It must bea conspiracy to get all gun owners to off themselves. No need for a gun ban that way.
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    Yep happened here too, in my town. I found it ironic he was Canadian.

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    JosephMingle wrote:
    Talk about a selfish, inconsiderate slug! He robbed the range owner of days of business, blocked local shooters from enjoying their sport, and worst of all - forced some poor soul to clean up his mess.

    Contempt all around - his for those he deserted and from us for his cowardly and selfish exit.
    The ultimate way to kick em when they are down?

    Mocking the suicidal, especially when they finally commit the act, is even lower.

    People like YOU are why they do it. I've been there. You think of nothing but what others owe you, and how dare they leave without paying up...

    Those who live such a sheltered and easy life as to not understand, have no place commenting on the matter. Some of us have to take all the bad so you can live the charmed life. Sometimes, we can't hack living with the consequences of others' actions day-in and day-out. Others being those who pretend there are no consequences, or are just plain dumb and oblivious. It just works out that some people flip the coin and it always lands tails. Be glad it isn't you, and stop insulting those who serve as your whipping boy.
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    ixtow wrote:
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    Talk about a selfish, inconsiderate slug! He robbed the range owner of days of business, blocked local shooters from enjoying their sport, and worst of all - forced some poor soul to clean up his mess.

    Contempt all around - his for those he deserted and from us for his cowardly and selfish exit.
    The ultimate way to kick em when they are down?

    Mocking the suicidal, especially when they finally commit the act, is even lower.

    People like YOU are why they do it. I've been there. You think of nothing but what others owe you, and how dare they leave without paying up...

    Those who live such a sheltered and easy life as to not understand, have no place commenting on the matter. Some of us have to take all the bad so you can live the charmed life. Sometimes, we can't hack living with the consequences of others' actions day-in and day-out. Others being those who pretend there are no consequences, or are just plain dumb and oblivious. It just works out that some people flip the coin and it always lands tails. Be glad it isn't you, and stop insulting those who serve as your whipping boy.
    You can cry crocodile tears for the most cowardly of the human race. It's pathetic how some people think based on a simple and short post they can have someone all figured out. Your response is so sophomoric that I refuse to waste any more of my time pointing out your foolishness.


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    JosephMingle wrote:
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    Talk about a selfish, inconsiderate slug!* He robbed the range owner of days of business, blocked local shooters from enjoying their sport, and worst of all - forced some poor soul to clean up his mess.*

    Contempt all around - his for those he deserted and from us for his cowardly and selfish exit.
    The ultimate way to kick em when they are down?

    Mocking the suicidal, especially when they finally commit the act, is even lower.

    People like YOU are why they do it.* I've been there.* You think of nothing but what others owe you, and how dare they leave without paying up...

    Those who live such a sheltered and easy life as to not understand, have no place commenting on the matter.* Some of us have to take all the bad so you can live the charmed life.* Sometimes, we can't hack living with the consequences of others' actions day-in and day-out.* Others being those who pretend there are no consequences, or are just plain dumb and oblivious.* It just works out that some people flip the coin and it always lands tails.* Be glad it isn't you, and stop insulting those who serve as your whipping boy.
    You can cry crocodile tears for the most cowardly of the human race.* It's pathetic how some people think based on a simple and short post they can have someone all figured out.* Your response is so sophomoric that I refuse to waste any more of my time pointing out your foolishness.
    big words from the bully who doesn't know when to quit.

    You spent time to write an entire paragraph of arrogant screed, but can't be bothered to actually rebutt, because you haven't got the time...

    That steaming load speaks for itself. I consider my position not only sustained, but reinforced by your own words and self-exposures. People like you are what pushes others over the edge.
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    ixtow wrote:
    People like YOU are why they do it.* I've been there.* You think of nothing but what others owe you, and how dare they leave without paying up...
    Exactly! Blame it on other people. Because, you're entitled to their compassion! They're being so selfish, making you kill yourself by withholding the sympathy that you're entitled to!

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    Uh, Ixtow...... Maybe you oughtta let someone hold your firearms until you pick up your refill at the drugstore, okay?....

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    marshaul wrote:
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    People like YOU are why they do it.* I've been there.* You think of nothing but what others owe you, and how dare they leave without paying up...
    Exactly! Blame it on other people. Because, you're entitled to their compassion! They're being so selfish, making you kill yourself by withholding the sympathy that you're entitled to!
    Nothing like putting words in someone's mouth and running with it to fully discredit yourself.

    Nowhere in anything I wrote did I ask for compassion or even suggest intitlement to anything.

    Careful, your arrogance and bias are showing.
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    So, how is it the fault of "people like YOU", then?

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    So, how is it the fault of "people like YOU", then?
    Before I respond, I have to mention a few things.

    It's difficult to respond without getting off-topic from the original post. As I've been recently reminded by the moderating staff, if the massage is not obviously and directly related it will be be deleted.

    You can't argue with the stupid, they will drag you down to their level where they can only see their own position, and in their own small minds, declare victory. A true argument is not about proving your point, but testing it. None here have presented a compunction to do that.

    I have an entire blog dedicated to the idiocy, arrogance, and selfishness of conventional stupidity, often called conventional wisdom. To recite that work here in one message would be nearly impossible.

    Fault.... Again you put words in my mouth. A more deliberately fraudulent position would be hard to set up. you fail on your own, but I will debunk it anyway.

    Capitalism requires competition. I'll be the first to name Capitalism as the greatest engine of progress yet discovered by man. But it is not all sunshine and roses. This is not a criticism of it, or a condemnation of those who participate, as is often the arrogant a stupid retort.

    For you to gain, another must lose. Some have a conscience about it. I'm one of those people. Sometimes I just have to quit a perfectly good job because I just can't tolerate myself for it anymore. I can't look at myself in the mirror or sleep at night knowing the spiderweb of destruction that 'earning a living' causes. Many people just don't give a damn. They prey on those who can't, or won't, be predatory themselves. This is what capitalism is all about. It is brutal and inhumane. Cry me a river, whatever, that's not the damn point, and your juvenile insults on the matter prove what a human failure you are.

    The point is that some people end up on the bottom no matter what, some, like me, by choice and application or morals and common-sense. Some are just the ultimate in unlucky. And sometimes, but rarely, lazy do-nothings get to be there too. It is most commonly a morel choice not to cut another man's throat, or starve his children. Like it or not, that's what happens when Capitalism is no longer used as an economic model, but as a weapon for the demented pleasures of seeing others suffer. To take not for yourself, not for gain or profit, but merely to ensure that another has to do without. There is a difference between Predatory Economics, and Capitalism. Pretending that there isn't is common among the arrogant and sheltered. This difference is what has casued the failing of our economy. But there are other casualties than a slightly thinner wallet for the Predators.

    The foundation of any and all 'coping mechanisms' are denial and self-delusion. This is absolutely KEY to the 'work ethic' of the conservative/republican. To deny that someone else has to lose for you to gain, is a fundamental impossibility in both Capitalism and Predatory Economics. In order for competition to exist, there must be insufficient commodity to go around. To deliberately create these insufficiencies, or to forcibly create a false need for something in short supply, is where one can draw a line between the two concepts.

    Some people won't lie to themselves about it. Some people aren't oblivious. And sometimes, these people have a conscience.

    In another category, there are people who just always get the short end of the stick no matter what.

    The burden and and stress of being one of those people is tremendous. It is horribly depressing, and for people who fit those two types mentioned above, there is often no form of medication that can blind them to it and restore them to the 'ignorance is bliss' circumstance of the average, 'normal,' human being.

    I have never seen hard or smart work pay off for anyone, ever. Including myself. I also recognize that a alrge part of that is geograpic. Florida is a horrible place with a huge divide between the wealthy, bored people who haven't a thing better to do with themselves but antagonize those who are poor. There is no middle class here. the Punitive nature of accelerated cost of living combined with taxes escalates far more rapidly than the income scale. If you aren't already rich beyond comprehension, you will very soon be impoverished, it does not matter what you do or don't do. Predatory Economics, not Capitalism, is all there is here. If you haven't the funds to enslave a few square miles of ghetto, then you're living in it. Grate care and design has gone into creating this society in which there is no chance at all for anyone who isn't born wealthy, and keeping it that way.

    It gets to some people. And frankly, they've more guts than anyone who mocks them. It is not easy to kill yourself. Facing it myself is what has made me into the gun-toting Libertarian I am today. I've mentioned it on the forum before. Being told that it is actually ILLEGAL to take my life into my own hands, if even to end it, is the ultimate socialism/big brother load of crap there is. NO ONE controls me down the the ultimate finite end. And the only reason I am still here today is in defiance of those who think they have a right to do so. I'm not sick, I don't need pills, and I'm not the slightest bit unstable. I just have a very unique perspective that most people pretend does not exist to keep their conscience clear.

    I some ways, I'm glad you haven't a damn clue and can be so arrogant. That is just one more human being that doesn't know the true ugly depths that exist in this society. I wouldn't even wish it on LEO 229. But seeing someone so arrogant and frankly, truly evil, as to mock something taht is very real and horrible, which they have absolutely no understanding of, it's about the most immature and derogatory thing I've witnessed in my entire life.

    My son is everything and more, to me. If a man raped and murdered my son, I would hate him just slightly less than I hate you. Because you would do no less for a dollar and act like it's perfectly justified, all in the name of capitalism, your god. How many will you do it to and pretend it isn't real...

    You can't argue with the arrogant any more than you can argue with the stupid. they know they are wrong, but enjoy it and the anguish it spreads. They get off on hurting other people, and just LOVE when they can cloud the waters and hide behind Capitalism. And these same people usually go to church and call their behavior 'good work ethic.'

    I'm sure none of this makes sense to a majority of people that would read it. And that's just fine with me. You're ignorance will not prevent me from understanding the things you deny are real. If you didn't, you might end up like one of the guys these articles are aboout. You haven't got the strength or the guts to admit reality, much less face down your own self-inflicted end. Live in your Partisan world of convenient idiocies. Some of us deal with weights that would shatter your infant-like psyche. Some make it, some don't.

    I've been down that road. And not from bad luck, by deliberate choice. I've never met anyone with more willpower or self-control than myself. And just like gun controllers, you think it needs to be wrested away, medicated, or just plain destroyed, just because you cannot even begine to grasp it. You presume danger in ignorance. Anything to give you an excuse to slander and control... The very same mindset that this forum is about squelching...

    I know what these people are (were...) dealing with. I am sad that I WASN'T there.

    The difference between community, and communism, is one that cannot be seen by those who pretend that Predatory Economics is really just a 'more equal' form of Capitalism. Better yet, deny it altogether...

    If you haven't even been tested, how dare you mock those who fail it. This is what I mean when I say "people like YOU."
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    ixtow wrote:
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    So, how is it the fault of "people like YOU", then?
    And just like gun controllers, you think it needs to be wrested away, medicated, or just plain destroyed, just because you cannot even begine to grasp it.*
    Speaking of putting words in others' mouths... When did I indicate any such thing?

    I think the choice to continue or end one's own life is indeed a personal choice, and I am not desirous of attempting to change that reality. At the same time, I still fail to understand why you think people commit suicide because of people like JosephMingle here.

    But, I get it. I'm evil and you hate me almost as much as if I had raped and murdered your son. :quirky

    Those are powerful emotions to feel about someone who you've had so little discussion with.

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    marshaul wrote:
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    So, how is it the fault of "people like YOU", then?
    And just like gun controllers, you think it needs to be wrested away, medicated, or just plain destroyed, just because you cannot even begine to grasp it.
    Speaking of putting words in others' mouths... When did I indicate any such thing?

    I think the choice to continue or end one's own life is indeed a personal choice, and I am not desirous of attempting to change that reality. At the same time, I still fail to understand why you think people commit suicide because of people like JosephMingle here.

    But, I get it. I'm evil and you hate me almost as much as if I had raped and murdered your son. :quirky

    Those are powerful emotions to feel about someone who you've had so little discussion with.
    My reply was more directed at a general mindset, and not specifically you in all aspects.

    Some character indicators tell much in a few words. Feel free to throw that in my face with no foundation... A zinger with no sting, and I already see it coming. Keep being 'normal' no matter how bad 'normal' gets...
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    Ixtow, my younger brother lives in Florida. He drives a truck for SunStates and does not have the money to enslave even half a block of ghetto even if he threw in with three or four other truckers. And he is very happy to live in Florida. A guy I was in the Boy Scouts with lives in Florida. They both keep telling me I oughtta come down there and live, too.

    Hate to tell you this but you soundd like a grumpy old coot thumping his cane on the floor while he holds forth on nearly everything at the Senior Center. Really. And your sometimes suicidal talk has me a bit worried for you, my brother. I have read many lucid posts of yours but when you start up like this I begin to worry. I mean, I was NOT joking when I suggested you let someone hold your weapons while you got checked out. Not insulting you, just concerned......

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    ixtow wrote:
    marshaul wrote:
    So, how is it the fault of "people like YOU", then?
    Before I respond, I have to mention a few things.

    It's difficult to respond without getting off-topic from the original post. As I've been recently reminded by the moderating staff, if the massage is not obviously and directly related it will be be deleted.

    You can't argue with the stupid, they will drag you down to their level where they can only see their own position, and in their own small minds, declare victory. A true argument is not about proving your point, but testing it. None here have presented a compunction to do that.

    I have an entire blog dedicated to the idiocy, arrogance, and selfishness of conventional stupidity, often called conventional wisdom. To recite that work here in one message would be nearly impossible.

    Fault.... Again you put words in my mouth. A more deliberately fraudulent position would be hard to set up. you fail on your own, but I will debunk it anyway.

    Capitalism requires competition. I'll be the first to name Capitalism as the greatest engine of progress yet discovered by man. But it is not all sunshine and roses. This is not a criticism of it, or a condemnation of those who participate, as is often the arrogant a stupid retort.

    For you to gain, another must lose. Some have a conscience about it. I'm one of those people. Sometimes I just have to quit a perfectly good job because I just can't tolerate myself for it anymore. I can't look at myself in the mirror or sleep at night knowing the spiderweb of destruction that 'earning a living' causes. Many people just don't give a damn. They prey on those who can't, or won't, be predatory themselves. This is what capitalism is all about. It is brutal and inhumane. Cry me a river, whatever, that's not the damn point, and your juvenile insults on the matter prove what a human failure you are.

    The point is that some people end up on the bottom no matter what, some, like me, by choice and application or morals and common-sense. Some are just the ultimate in unlucky. And sometimes, but rarely, lazy do-nothings get to be there too. It is most commonly a morel choice not to cut another man's throat, or starve his children. Like it or not, that's what happens when Capitalism is no longer used as an economic model, but as a weapon for the demented pleasures of seeing others suffer. To take not for yourself, not for gain or profit, but merely to ensure that another has to do without. There is a difference between Predatory Economics, and Capitalism. Pretending that there isn't is common among the arrogant and sheltered. This difference is what has casued the failing of our economy. But there are other casualties than a slightly thinner wallet for the Predators.

    The foundation of any and all 'coping mechanisms' are denial and self-delusion. This is absolutely KEY to the 'work ethic' of the conservative/republican. To deny that someone else has to lose for you to gain, is a fundamental impossibility in both Capitalism and Predatory Economics. In order for competition to exist, there must be insufficient commodity to go around. To deliberately create these insufficiencies, or to forcibly create a false need for something in short supply, is where one can draw a line between the two concepts.

    Some people won't lie to themselves about it. Some people aren't oblivious. And sometimes, these people have a conscience.

    In another category, there are people who just always get the short end of the stick no matter what.

    The burden and and stress of being one of those people is tremendous. It is horribly depressing, and for people who fit those two types mentioned above, there is often no form of medication that can blind them to it and restore them to the 'ignorance is bliss' circumstance of the average, 'normal,' human being.

    I have never seen hard or smart work pay off for anyone, ever. Including myself. I also recognize that a alrge part of that is geograpic. Florida is a horrible place with a huge divide between the wealthy, bored people who haven't a thing better to do with themselves but antagonize those who are poor. There is no middle class here. the Punitive nature of accelerated cost of living combined with taxes escalates far more rapidly than the income scale. If you aren't already rich beyond comprehension, you will very soon be impoverished, it does not matter what you do or don't do. Predatory Economics, not Capitalism, is all there is here. If you haven't the funds to enslave a few square miles of ghetto, then you're living in it. Grate care and design has gone into creating this society in which there is no chance at all for anyone who isn't born wealthy, and keeping it that way.

    It gets to some people. And frankly, they've more guts than anyone who mocks them. It is not easy to kill yourself. Facing it myself is what has made me into the gun-toting Libertarian I am today. I've mentioned it on the forum before. Being told that it is actually ILLEGAL to take my life into my own hands, if even to end it, is the ultimate socialism/big brother load of crap there is. NO ONE controls me down the the ultimate finite end. And the only reason I am still here today is in defiance of those who think they have a right to do so. I'm not sick, I don't need pills, and I'm not the slightest bit unstable. I just have a very unique perspective that most people pretend does not exist to keep their conscience clear.

    I some ways, I'm glad you haven't a damn clue and can be so arrogant. That is just one more human being that doesn't know the true ugly depths that exist in this society. I wouldn't even wish it on LEO 229. But seeing someone so arrogant and frankly, truly evil, as to mock something taht is very real and horrible, which they have absolutely no understanding of, it's about the most immature and derogatory thing I've witnessed in my entire life.

    My son is everything and more, to me. If a man raped and murdered my son, I would hate him just slightly less than I hate you. Because you would do no less for a dollar and act like it's perfectly justified, all in the name of capitalism, your god. How many will you do it to and pretend it isn't real...

    You can't argue with the arrogant any more than you can argue with the stupid. they know they are wrong, but enjoy it and the anguish it spreads. They get off on hurting other people, and just LOVE when they can cloud the waters and hide behind Capitalism. And these same people usually go to church and call their behavior 'good work ethic.'

    I'm sure none of this makes sense to a majority of people that would read it. And that's just fine with me. You're ignorance will not prevent me from understanding the things you deny are real. If you didn't, you might end up like one of the guys these articles are aboout. You haven't got the strength or the guts to admit reality, much less face down your own self-inflicted end. Live in your Partisan world of convenient idiocies. Some of us deal with weights that would shatter your infant-like psyche. Some make it, some don't.

    I've been down that road. And not from bad luck, by deliberate choice. I've never met anyone with more willpower or self-control than myself. And just like gun controllers, you think it needs to be wrested away, medicated, or just plain destroyed, just because you cannot even begine to grasp it. You presume danger in ignorance. Anything to give you an excuse to slander and control... The very same mindset that this forum is about squelching...

    I know what these people are (were...) dealing with. I am sad that I WASN'T there.

    The difference between community, and communism, is one that cannot be seen by those who pretend that Predatory Economics is really just a 'more equal' form of Capitalism. Better yet, deny it altogether...

    If you haven't even been tested, how dare you mock those who fail it. This is what I mean when I say "people like YOU."
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    ixtow wrote:
    Before I respond, I have to mention a few things.

    1) I have an entire blog dedicated to the idiocy, arrogance, and selfishness of conventional stupidity, often called conventional wisdom. To recite that work here in one message would be nearly impossible.
    2) Capitalism requires competition. I'll be the first to name Capitalism as the greatest engine of progress yet discovered by man. But it is not all sunshine and roses. This is not a criticism of it, or a condemnation of those who participate, as is often the arrogant a stupid retort.
    3) For you to gain, another must lose. Some have a conscience about it. I'm one of those people. Sometimes I just have to quit a perfectly good job because I just can't tolerate myself for it anymore. I can't look at myself in the mirror or sleep at night knowing the spiderweb of destruction that 'earning a living' causes. Many people just don't give a damn. They prey on those who can't, or won't, be predatory themselves. This is what capitalism is all about. It is brutal and inhumane. Cry me a river, whatever, that's not the damn point, and your juvenile insults on the matter prove what a human failure you are.
    4) The foundation of any and all 'coping mechanisms' are denial and self-delusion.
    Rant #A) It gets to some people. And frankly, they've more guts than anyone who mocks them. It is not easy to kill yourself. Facing it myself is what has made me into the gun-toting *Libertarian I am today. I've mentioned it on the forum before. Being told that it is actually ILLEGAL to take my life into my own hands, if even to end it, is the ultimate socialism/big brother load of crap there is. NO ONE controls me down the the ultimate finite end. And the only reason I am still here today is in defiance of those who think they have a right to do so.
    Rant #B) I'm not sick, I don't need pills, and I'm not the slightest bit unstable. I just have a very unique perspective that most people pretend does not exist to keep their conscience clear.
    5) My son is everything and more, to me. If a man raped and murdered my son, I would hate him just slightly less than I hate you. Because you would do no less for a dollar and act like it's perfectly justified, all in the name of capitalism, your god. How many will you do it to and pretend it isn't real...
    6) I'm sure none of this makes sense to a majority of people that would read it.
    7) I've been down that road. And not from bad luck, by deliberate choice. I've never met anyone with more willpower or self-control than myself. And just like gun controllers, you think it needs to be wrested away, medicated, or just plain destroyed, just because you cannot even begine to grasp it. You presume danger in ignorance. Anything to give you an excuse to slander and control... The very same mindset that this forum is about squelching...
    8) The difference between community, and communism, is one that cannot be seen by those who pretend that Predatory Economics is really just a 'more equal' form of Capitalism. Better yet, deny it altogether...
    9) If you haven't even been tested, how dare you mock those who fail it. This is what I mean when I say "people like YOU."
    1) Obviously focused on anger and hatred, and imposes this on others.

    2) Later comments show obvious communist over tones.

    3) Justifies #3 by using the formula from #4.

    * Rantings of #A disprove #B *See #4.

    5) wow .. really.. kids too? ~ How are they supported?

    6) Agree very much,angry rambled rants areoften hard to understand.

    7) Keptyourself poor so you can be angry about it, Justified by #B.

    8) Refer back to #2 please.

    9) Most of us here are tested daily... and have the willpower to pass, and keep passing, and keep pressing on through it all...

    rebuke to 9) I live paycheck to paycheck, have earned what i have by crawling there... If you choose to be an epic-fail to "test yourself" so be it, but don't impose your delusionsandparanoia onto others who are simply trying to make it through this crazy world....

    :?Sorry to be a jerk, but that rant was kinda disturbing (from an outside viewpoint). If you want to be seen as "normal", then be normal. If you act out of sorts, expect to be called on it.

    Bat.

    P.S. Yes i think it's too bad the guy killed himself. BUT, we have to realise that suicide is not as uncommon as we'd think, whole world considering. Us here getting all disturbed about it isn't gonna help anyone that's still alive and could actually use the help, like his family.
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    I've been down that road. And not from bad luck, by deliberate choice. I've never met anyone with more willpower or self-control than myself. And just like gun controllers, you think it needs to be wrested away, medicated, or just plain destroyed, just because you cannot even begine to grasp it. You presume danger in ignorance.

    You know, I've been back and forth and up and down for the last year or so. I dunno if it's female hormonal crap or what, but I've never been this "basketcase" before except for back in 1993 before I even went for help. The little episodes center around my menstrual cycle. I know exactly what you are writing about, and will say that anyone who has never felt real clinical depression, really has no idea what it is like and how awful it can feel. Add to that feelings of rejection and misanthropy, and you have one heck of a "weeping' dynamite stick.

    If you ever meet me, you will find that you are not the only one with such great will power and self control. Make that 2 of us.

    The real shame is my loss of creativity and my ability to write fiction, or to be able to do anything that is of a 2 dimensional nature anymore. But when "mania" fuels it, it is best to control that "beast", and just be a freakin zombie.The "beast" does however offer the ability to be a heck of a Sheepdog though. I only let a small bit of it come out.



    I am not going to comment on statements about bullying forum members or whatever, except to say that your going on about it is the depression talking. Are you bipolar?

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    Batousaii wrote:
    ixtow wrote:
    Before I respond, I have to mention a few things.

    1) I have an entire blog dedicated to the idiocy, arrogance, and selfishness of conventional stupidity, often called conventional wisdom. To recite that work here in one message would be nearly impossible.
    2) Capitalism requires competition. I'll be the first to name Capitalism as the greatest engine of progress yet discovered by man. But it is not all sunshine and roses. This is not a criticism of it, or a condemnation of those who participate, as is often the arrogant a stupid retort.
    3) For you to gain, another must lose. Some have a conscience about it. I'm one of those people. Sometimes I just have to quit a perfectly good job because I just can't tolerate myself for it anymore. I can't look at myself in the mirror or sleep at night knowing the spiderweb of destruction that 'earning a living' causes. Many people just don't give a damn. They prey on those who can't, or won't, be predatory themselves. This is what capitalism is all about. It is brutal and inhumane. Cry me a river, whatever, that's not the damn point, and your juvenile insults on the matter prove what a human failure you are.
    4) The foundation of any and all 'coping mechanisms' are denial and self-delusion.
    Rant #A) It gets to some people. And frankly, they've more guts than anyone who mocks them. It is not easy to kill yourself. Facing it myself is what has made me into the gun-toting *Libertarian I am today. I've mentioned it on the forum before. Being told that it is actually ILLEGAL to take my life into my own hands, if even to end it, is the ultimate socialism/big brother load of crap there is. NO ONE controls me down the the ultimate finite end. And the only reason I am still here today is in defiance of those who think they have a right to do so.
    Rant #B) I'm not sick, I don't need pills, and I'm not the slightest bit unstable. I just have a very unique perspective that most people pretend does not exist to keep their conscience clear.
    5) My son is everything and more, to me. If a man raped and murdered my son, I would hate him just slightly less than I hate you. Because you would do no less for a dollar and act like it's perfectly justified, all in the name of capitalism, your god. How many will you do it to and pretend it isn't real...
    6) I'm sure none of this makes sense to a majority of people that would read it.
    7) I've been down that road. And not from bad luck, by deliberate choice. I've never met anyone with more willpower or self-control than myself. And just like gun controllers, you think it needs to be wrested away, medicated, or just plain destroyed, just because you cannot even begine to grasp it. You presume danger in ignorance. Anything to give you an excuse to slander and control... The very same mindset that this forum is about squelching...
    8) The difference between community, and communism, is one that cannot be seen by those who pretend that Predatory Economics is really just a 'more equal' form of Capitalism. Better yet, deny it altogether...
    9) If you haven't even been tested, how dare you mock those who fail it. This is what I mean when I say "people like YOU."
    1) Obviously focused on anger and hatred, and imposes this on others.

    2) Later comments show obvious communist over tones.

    3) Justifies #3 by using the formula from #4.

    * Rantings of #A disprove #B *See #4.

    5) wow .. really.. kids too? ~ How are they supported?

    6) Agree very much,angry rambled rants areoften hard to understand.

    7) Keptyourself poor so you can be angry about it, Justified by #B.

    8) Refer back to #2 please.

    9) Most of us here are tested daily... and have the willpower to pass, and keep passing, and keep pressing on through it all...

    rebuke to 9) I live paycheck to paycheck, have earned what i have by crawling there... If you choose to be an epic-fail to "test yourself" so be it, but don't impose your delusionsandparanoia onto others who are simply trying to make it through this crazy world....

    :?Sorry to be a jerk, but that rant was kinda disturbing (from an outside viewpoint). If you want to be seen as "normal", then be normal. If you act out of sorts, expect to be called on it.

    Bat.

    P.S. Yes i think it's too bad the guy killed himself. BUT, we have to realise that suicide is not as uncommon as we'd think, whole world considering. Us here getting all disturbed about it isn't gonna help anyone that's still alive and could actually use the help, like his family.
    Aw, that's cute. The usual unsupported presumptions asserted as fact without consideration.

    I've heard it all before. Thanks for stopping by. I know it doesn't suit you, which is the same reason you won't think it through any further than what does.

    a) I'm not angry about being poor. I don't live a lifestyle that subjects me to the self-inflicted extortions of 'conventional thiking,' I do just fine without your silly 'needs' that aren't. I'd even venture to suggest that I live a fundamentally better and healtheir life than most rich people do.

    b) Focused on anger and hatred, yes; the passive aggression of others who think nothing of it. That's life. Nobody gives a damn. Get over it. I'm not one of them.

    No, I used letters to enumerate my own points about this response, not yours. Yours would only make sense to someone who subscribed to the same propaganda that you do. I'm sure there are jsut as many of 'you' as there are flamming liberals who subscribe to an agenda as well...

    The matter is circular, and that's the whole point. Those who deny the consequences of their actions are pretending that it isn't circular. You may point at that as some form of debunking, but I see you admitting to know the truth and then laughing at those who pay the price as you mock them for it.

    There is nothing communist about it. Not even the least. While the half-truths of communist rants often include some of this; that's why it's a half truth. Your predisposition to deliberately 'not notice' that, shows your bias and interest in promoting an agenda, not arriving at a truth. You'll only find observed fact in my statements. your immediate desire to class them with the half truths of communists is an embarrassment to your own argument and position.

    Nobody, except the Mint, can "make money." Nobody, ever, anywhere on earth, in all of recorded history, ever, not even once, period, has ever 'earned' it either. When you work for a paycheck, you shortchange yourself. You have to. Your employer wouldn't make any money if he paid you every penny you were worth. Without his workers, he produces nothing, and has no product or service to offer. He owes everything to them, every single penny. And if he paid it, he would still have nothing... Something has to give, and it's not him, that would defeat the whole point. It's just a damn fact of how it works. This is where profit comes from; the employees' lack of pay. We try to keep it to a minimum, and get paid as much as we can for what we do. But the bottom line is that if we were ever paid what we were worth, even once, the company would be gone the same day. Then what? Duh.

    Some people get shortchanged more than you do. That's life. Some of them, all the time, no matter what they do. For these people, capitalism is a fate worse than death. I don't blame 'em. I still think about it every day. I know I'm never going to have a good life. It's my choice to be a decent human being that I can respect. I'm not mad about it. In fact, I'm proud of it. I'm the only person I know that isn't a liar or a con-artist in some degree. Once you forget community in the name of mocking it as communism, you cross the line of capitalism into predatory economics. "It's not your problem." Both can go too far, I don't give a flying rodent's posterior if you refuse to accept it or not.

    Somebody has to pay the price for your gains. That's how it works. If there were no shortage to compete for, no one would! Capitalism would fail. By it's very definition, capitalism requires the impoverished in order to perpetuate itself. Communism spreads it around so everyone can be; capitalism focuses it into the cross-section of the population that values morality above money. More people are rich, but those who pay the price for it; REALLY pay the price.

    In communism, everybody just barely gets by. It sucks for everyone. But when Capitalism forgets community, it isn't Capitalism anymore. Just like community that forgets the individual becomes Communism. When it gets this far out of hand, where pretending that it isn't so, to a point of mocking the suggestion (I care not what you say of me), it's just Predation, like any other animal. When you stoop that low, you aren't even a human being anymore. And, separate from the rest of this debate, I personally feel that people who stoop to the level of an animal have no more rights than an animal; nothing at all wrong with killing them.

    The very device, definition, and function of capitalism run amok (predatory economics), causes just as much damage as community run amok (communism). the difference is that communism spreads the misery equally, and predatory economics focuses it in greater severity onto a smaller portion of the population.

    Look at Japan. The ultimate gun-hater's paradise. But highest suicide rate on the planet. What else do they have the highest of? Unchecked and absolutely brutal business minded society. Nothing matters but how hard you drive yourself to sacrifice your sanity and humanity to the profit of your company.

    Go ahead and find out what nobody wants to talk about. Cross-reference the extremes of capitalism to suicide rates. The more 'competitive' the demographic, the higher the suicide rate. There are anomalies in everything, but you've never seen a more perfect match in any statistical gathering in your entire life, I guarantee it.

    Nobody, especially not the politically indoctrinated, ever wants to admit that capitalism has a down side. EVERYTHING has a down side. Capitalism focuses it like a laser on to a few who bear the burden of those consequences.

    Playing the communist card just because this it a right-leaning forums shows you just want to hide in the security of numbers than expose a real argument. I'm happy to talk about the down sides to both, you are in denial that there is a down side to your chosen crusade...

    Your attempt to use amateur/armchair psychology fails miserably and exposes a LOT of projection.

    There is no room left for someone who doesn't choose a side. Both are dead wrong. And being one who refuses to be blind to lies and evil, I'm one of the people there simply isn't any room for.

    I rather well like it that way. I could be homeless and smile about it. I'm not one of the blind idiots tossed into the colloseum all killing each other over lies they fall for, all for the entertainiment of the elites. Go ahead and bicker about left and right... I know you're an idiot for even considering either of those position to be valid. I'm not above it, I'm just outside of it. I've accepted that both sides will relentlessly attack me and mock me and insult me. Whatever. It only proves me right.

    Doesn't it suck to know there is someone out that really does have it all figured out, and the most you can do is put your foot in your mouth? Aw, how arrogant of me. I'll take a nap under newspaper on a park bench and still be right. My station or social status changes nothing. Wouldn't it be nice if someone else would grow up, so I could have someone to talk to....

    He who stoops lowest, has the greatest rewards. That is the absolute definition of 'how things are' today. No good deed goes unpunished, and anyone who hesitates and fails to assault every single human being he sees, will end up at the bottom. Profit in America today comes from only 4 things; Lying, Cheating, Stealing, and Killing. You won't see one single penny without it. It is an absolute with no exception or loophole. It has been engineered carefully, to ensure there is no other way to survive but to get your hands dirty.

    Given the choice between being the absolute evil, or not survive; I choose not to survive. And making that choice, I ended up survivng.

    Lets see you sort that one out, Dr.

    Some people just can't take it. They don't pass the test. Maybe they take pill, or ride a crotch rocket 150mph into an embankment, or shoot themselves at a gun range.

    And then, there's me. The one who didn't erase himself and dares expose what you pretend does not exist. I passed. And you don't even know what I'm talking about, so you'll write it off as crazy talk and insult it like everything else beyond your understanding. It's human nature. Just like Liberals who can't figure out that guns are just a tool....

    Do you stop thinking where it is convenient for your agenda? I'd have to say that describes... And pretty much every other 'normal' person, too.

    To be a Man, and adult, is to deny the compulsion of instinct. To use one's higher intellect to be a Person, not an Animal. The most basic instinct is self preservation. I'm the only person I know who has parted with it. I'm not special or some 'only one' saying you can't comprehend me and I'm some miraculous superior being. You just choose not to test it. The agenda and propaganda is more comfortable...

    And mocking the dead is easier than understanding them. And it's better that way. Just like Liberals who don't trust others to own a gun show their own unstable nature and are the real ones who shouldn't have a gun. Simple Projection. Assuming that others are as untrustworthy as you are. You show in your cowardly mockery that you probably can't handle what you would find if you turned over that rock and looked under it. Would you pass the test? Do you even know how to read the language it's written in?

    Whatever man. I have way more respect for someone who takes the test and fails, than someone who can't even read it. Mocking them just shows me what you're really made of. I'm embarrassed of my species and all it's wasted potential, for your behavior.
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