Results 1 to 25 of 25

Thread: I need some advice

  1. #1
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Huntersville, North Carolina, USA
    Posts
    231

    Post imported post

    AR 15's are so expensive. My AK was cheap as dirt, it's reliable, tough as the dickens and just freakin awesome.

    I also am interested in an AR. what brands are good and what should I stay away from? any good ar's under a 1000 bucks? I would like a rifle that no bigger than 16" in barrel length. pics are fine, just let me know what i'm looking at and explain in English.

    Thanks in advance. when It comes to AR 15, I have no idea where to start. Oh, and I'm in Charlotte NC and the gun show is coming up in mid august, so you could help me possibly buy an ar next month!

  2. #2
    Regular Member compmanio365's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Pierce County, Washington, USA
    Posts
    2,013

    Post imported post

    Just buy another AK! (Or two....)

    If you need a .22, you can find one MUCH cheaper than an AR......

  3. #3
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    The Northwoods, lakeland area, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    2,170

    Post imported post

    May I suggest visiting AR15.com and doing some sniffing arounsthey have all sorts of articles and videos on different parts manufacturers and the quality of their parts.

    Think of it this way, all lowers and uppers from different manufacturerswill still work with each other if they are truely mil-spec tolerances. the difference you're going to find is the materials used, and the finish applied to the steel.

    AR's are notoriously accurate, I say they are almost as accurate as bolt-action guns which shouldn't be possible with a semi-auto firearm. the accuraqcy comes from the unique bolt lock-up action IMO.

    The AR bubble is beginning to burst, prices should be getting back down to normal soon. I saw lower assemblies go from $70.00 to $200.00 with a 12 week backorder becuase of the demand. Now that the "obamination" in office put his campaign promises on hold, and the economy has tanked, people will be selling their hardware to put food on the table, Sort of like the Y2K generator demand back in 1999, lots of good stuff should become available and cheap. Ammo may also become more available soon too.

  4. #4
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Huntersville, North Carolina, USA
    Posts
    231

    Post imported post

    If I buy a .22 it's going to be a Ruger 10/22.

    I'm looking for a defensive rifle like an AR 15 to supplement my AK

  5. #5
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    The Northwoods, lakeland area, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    2,170

    Post imported post

    Godscreation wrote:
    If I buy a .22 it's going to be a Ruger 10/22.

    I'm looking for a defensive rifle like an AR 15 to supplement my AK
    I just remembered something, A company I do not recall right now makes AR-15furniture to fit a Ruger 10-22 barreled action. It is the exact same dimensiion as an AR-15 so it can be used as a practice gun and has the same feel with cheap ammo , all other AR-15 furniture will fit it too, it looks exactly the same, but based on a 10-22.
    I saw their stuff in a "cheaper than dirt" catalog.

  6. #6
    Regular Member PDinDetroit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    SE, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    2,336

    Post imported post

    There are a couple options to consider:

    1. DPMS makes entry level AR-15's for less than $1000. Check out http://www.dpmsinc.com. If you go with this option, make sure to get one chambered in 5.56 NATO as it will be able to shoot .223 Remington. I opted to spend the money on a S&W M&P 15 MOE and have not been disappointed.

    2. There are conversion kits for AR-15's to be able to shoot .22 LR. I have heard mixed reviews.

    3. The newer Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifles (serial numbers 580 and above) are accurate and go bang every time (self-cleaning piston action). I can find them in the Detroit Area for less than $800. I have 2 and have put 2500+ rounds downrange with only 1 FTE and 1 FTF. They take 5.56 NATO/.223 Remington per Ruger Manuals.

    4. The Ruger 10/22 are only about $200. I have 2 of these as well. My kids will be giving them to their grandkids.


    Here are some PICS: http://www.flickr.com/photos/3153485...th/3711163015/


    Rights are like muscles. You must EXERCISE THEM to keep them from becoming atrophied.

  7. #7
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Burton, Michigan
    Posts
    3,361

    Post imported post

    Nutczak wrote:
    Godscreation wrote:
    If I buy a .22 it's going to be a Ruger 10/22.

    I'm looking for a defensive rifle like an AR 15 to supplement my AK
    I just remembered something, A company I do not recall right now makes AR-15furniture to fit a Ruger 10-22 barreled action. It is the exact same dimensiion as an AR-15 so it can be used as a practice gun and has the same feel with cheap ammo , all other AR-15 furniture will fit it too, it looks exactly the same, but based on a 10-22.
    I saw their stuff in a "cheaper than dirt" catalog.
    Is it the ArcAngel packages for 10/22's? I see it advertised in all the Handgunner mags.

    http://www.promagindustries.com/

  8. #8
    Regular Member Michigander's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Mulligan's Valley
    Posts
    4,830

    Post imported post

    Godscreation wrote:
    I'm looking for a defensive rifle like an AR 15 to supplement my AK
    If you're just looking to reinforce what you already have for defensive purposes, have you considered getting another AK? If you do that, you'll have ammo, parts and magazine interchangeability. You could set them each up differently to fulfill different roles, or you could keep them similar, and just have one as a back up.

    But if you just have an itch that can only be scratched with an AR, that's cool, and please post pics when you get it.

    Answer every question about open carry in Michigan you ever had with one convenient and free book- http://libertyisforeveryone.com/open-carry-resources/

    The complete and utter truth can be challenged from every direction and it will always hold up. Accordingly there are few greater displays of illegitimacy than to attempt to impede free thought and communication.

  9. #9
    Regular Member Springfield45's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    South Central Pennsylvania
    Posts
    299

    Post imported post

    I own a Bushmaster M4A3 type AR-15 about ($1,300). 5.56mm http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_xm15_BCWA3F14M4IZ.asp

    I also own a DPMS Panther LR-308AP4 An AR-15 style rifle chambered
    in .308 Win. Another very well crafted rifle. about ($1,300)

    http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=4854


    A recent addition to my "Black weapon" collection was a DPMS Panther Sportical
    in 5.56mm - I LOVE THIS RIFLE. about ($700) I soon hope to add a .308 cal
    version of this rifle to my collection. I've grown fond of the accuracy of the
    "flat-top" and don't really miss the M4A3's carry handle as much as I thought
    I would. After adding Wilson Combat's Flip up - backup irons, the rifle is ready
    to go, was hoping to set an ACOG on top, but funds ran a little short... maybe
    for Christmas ;-)

    http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=5295

    The Panther (DPMS) is IMO, a very good quality rifle, for the beginner AND the seasoned shooter. I would recommend checking them out for your first AR
    purchase. Good quality, accuracy, warranty, and good prices.

    ~~Springfield

  10. #10
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Leesburg, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    13

    Post imported post

    I'm a definite fan of the AK. I have several AR's and Several AK's and AK variants. My fave is the Sagia .223 "Natasha". You might want to consider the Dragunov, AK type, cheaper and more availableammo (7.62 x 54).

  11. #11
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Leesburg, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    13

    Post imported post

    I'm a definite fan of the AK. I have several AR's and Several AK's and AK variants. My fave is the Sagia .223 "Natasha". You might want to consider the Dragunov, AK type, cheaper and more availableammo (7.62 x 54).

  12. #12
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    1,882

    Post imported post

    Dragunov ammo may be cheaper, but the hardware certainlyisn't, especially an authentic Soviet one.

    -ljp

  13. #13
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Charlotte, North Carolina, USA
    Posts
    678

    Post imported post

    On the gun forums I am on I have been seeing dozens of ARs popping up in the $900 range. If you aren't against used, that would be the way I would go.

  14. #14
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Leesburg, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    13

    Post imported post

    They are going for about $850.00 in VA. That's with a scope. Cheaper then an AR and much more reliable.

  15. #15
    Founder's Club Member Brass Magnet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Right Behind You!, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    2,818

    Post imported post

    At a 16" barrel length you should be able to find quite a few good quality AR's for under $1,000. Like Nut said, the bubble is going to burst here sooner or later and you should be able to get an even better deal.

    There aren't too many brands to stay away from and most of them are in bed with each other anyway.

    As far as complete rifles go: For stuff that's over priced Armalite, Bushmaster, Remington (bushmaster), and S&W come to mind. For good value DPMS and Olympic Arms.

    I have several AR's and build them all out of pieces now so I won't bother to get in to the brands that I've got sitting around. I do Own a factory Bushmaster and a factory DPMS AR-10; other than that, they are all frankenstein guns.
    R[ƎVO˩]UTION

    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Lex malla, lex nulla

  16. #16
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    1,882

    Post imported post

    The Romanian PSL/ROMAK-3 has the same internal mechanism as an AK - it just chambers the longer 54 round. These can be had for under a thousand bucks, true. The Dragunov proper is mechanically a bit different, and runs rather more than $850. The Chinese one chambered for .308 is a couple grand. For practical purposes, the clones are fine,but they're not strictly the same.

    -ljp

  17. #17
    Regular Member MSC 45ACP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Newport News, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,845

    Post imported post

    I have an AK and an AR. The AK is used for plinking and home protection. The Rock River National Match AR shoots 1/2 MOA (that means 1/2" group at 100 yards).

    Rock River also makes a "standard" AR that still shoots 1 " groups at 100 yards for less than $1,000. That's about the best value you're going to get for under a thousand bucks.

    It all depends on what you want the rifle for... I shoot "hunting" lead-pointed 124 gr rounds in the AK.

    We use 77 gr BTHP rounds for matches in the AR. The AR will shoot a 3" group at 600 yards with iron sights, but with a 20" barrel, its not the greatest thing for the clown coming through the front door. I'd rather not shoot him and the neighbor across the street asleep in his bed at 0300.

    Check out Rock River's web site and they will send you a catalog for free.

    I was an armorer in the military for over 20 years and have been shooting competitively since 1986. I've found Rock River to be very dependable and the best rifle for the money. Colt ARsare WAY overpriced in my opinion as are most of the others like Bushmaster and DPMS.
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
    (unknown 'gun~writer')

    Remington 1911 R1 (Back to Basics)
    SERPA retention or concealed...

    "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson
    (Borrowed from "The Perfect Day" by LTC Dave Grossman)

  18. #18
    Founder's Club Member Brass Magnet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Right Behind You!, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    2,818

    Post imported post

    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    I have an AK and an AR. The AK is used for plinking and home protection. The Rock River National Match AR shoots 1/2 MOA (that means 1/2" group at 100 yards).
    +1

    I forgot to mention RRA. Good rifles. I also forgot to mention that Colt is overpriced.
    R[ƎVO˩]UTION

    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Lex malla, lex nulla

  19. #19
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Western, Kentucky, USA
    Posts
    308

    Post imported post

    Brass Magnet wrote:
    For good value ... Olympic Arms.
    There's a reason Oly is the cheapest of the lot
    Quote Originally Posted by Open Carry.org Member View Post
    I really disgree with this one! That means that we can have any yahoo running around with a gun with out the proper training. This really scares the hell out of me. Just my two-cents!
    Quote Originally Posted by KansasMustang View Post
    Joe Schmedlap out there with a loaded weapon thinking he's going to deter crime and he's not even trained to fire his weapon safely just kinda makes my hair on the back of my neck stand up.

  20. #20
    Founder's Club Member Brass Magnet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Right Behind You!, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    2,818

    Post imported post

    catass wrote:
    Brass Magnet wrote:
    For good value ... Olympic Arms.
    There's a reason Oly is the cheapest of the lot
    Do you own any?

    I here this garbage on the net all the time and there isn't any truth to it. Ultimately, someone points to the silly "mil spec" M4 list that isn't up to date and they don't really understand that "mil spec" hardly ever means "better". Oly's are good guns. The only one they ever had problems with was the original plinker and that was because it had a cast receiver. The other manufacturers that tried that had the same problems. Nobody makes a cast receiver anymore as far as I know. I own several guns with Oly parts and some complete Oly upper halves and have never had a single issue. They're button broached target barrels are some of the better ones out there too.
    R[ƎVO˩]UTION

    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Lex malla, lex nulla

  21. #21
    Regular Member MSC 45ACP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Newport News, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,845

    Post imported post

    I know NOTHING about Olympic Arms; therefore, I said nothing about them. I DO know about "MilSpec" weapons having worked on them for 20 years. They do the job for which they were intended. I replaced many barrels on them (What a PITA that job is!) and replaced every other part on them. I worked on the old M16, M16A1, and A2. Nothing after that. I heard the M4's have a problem of overpenetration because of their short barrels and the "new" heavy rounds.

    Perhaps its time to think about the mission and re-think the needs of the services. The 5.56mm round is a bit light and fast for the job at hand. Is it time to go back to a heavier, slower bullet? I'm getting off-topic now so I'll quit...
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
    (unknown 'gun~writer')

    Remington 1911 R1 (Back to Basics)
    SERPA retention or concealed...

    "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson
    (Borrowed from "The Perfect Day" by LTC Dave Grossman)

  22. #22
    Regular Member compmanio365's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Pierce County, Washington, USA
    Posts
    2,013

    Post imported post

    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    I know NOTHING about Olympic Arms; therefore, I said nothing about them. I DO know about "MilSpec" weapons having worked on them for 20 years. They do the job for which they were intended. I replaced many barrels on them (What a PITA that job is!) and replaced every other part on them. I worked on the old M16, M16A1, and A2. Nothing after that. I heard the M4's have a problem of overpenetration because of their short barrels and the "new" heavy rounds.

    Perhaps its time to think about the mission and re-think the needs of the services. The 5.56mm round is a bit light and fast for the job at hand. Is it time to go back to a heavier, slower bullet? I'm getting off-topic now so I'll quit...
    Off topic, but correct. 6.5 is a good chambering for a rifle.......even an AR.....

  23. #23
    Founder's Club Member Brass Magnet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Right Behind You!, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    2,818

    Post imported post

    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    I know NOTHING about Olympic Arms; therefore, I said nothing about them. I DO know about "MilSpec" weapons having worked on them for 20 years. They do the job for which they were intended. I replaced many barrels on them (What a PITA that job is!) and replaced every other part on them. I worked on the old M16, M16A1, and A2. Nothing after that. I heard the M4's have a problem of overpenetration because of their short barrels and the "new" heavy rounds.

    Perhaps its time to think about the mission and re-think the needs of the services. The 5.56mm round is a bit light and fast for the job at hand. Is it time to go back to a heavier, slower bullet? I'm getting off-topic now so I'll quit...
    What get's me is that all "MilSpec" really is, is a set of specifications for a contract. "MilSpec" can be different with each order. Working for a company doing government contracts (not firearms related)I see what it actually is and sometimes how silly it is.

    Too bad "milspec" doesn't specify free-floated barrels (AFAIK)..... it would have been much less of a PITA for you to change them! LOL
    R[ƎVO˩]UTION

    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Lex malla, lex nulla

  24. #24
    Founder's Club Member Brass Magnet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Right Behind You!, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    2,818

    Post imported post

    compmanio365 wrote:
    Off topic, but correct. 6.5 is a good chambering for a rifle.......even an AR.....
    oooohh a thinly veiled dig!:P

    I agree though, 6.5 is an excellent caliber. Great sectional density and ballisticcoefficeint. I own a 243WSSM(6mm)chambered AR-15 which has become my favorite deer rifle. I also own a 6.5X25WSSM AI wildcat in a 1,000 yard F-class rifle. That 6.5 would fit in the AR too along with the grendel and a couple of others.
    R[ƎVO˩]UTION

    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Lex malla, lex nulla

  25. #25
    Regular Member MSC 45ACP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Newport News, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,845

    Post imported post

    I've heard good stuff about the 6.5 Grendel, too. They're using stuff like that for "match" rifles at Camp Perry. For those that aren't familiar with the terminology: "Match" rifles are bolt guns or other than "Service Rifles" which include (still) 03' Springfields, M1 Garands, M14 (M1A actually) and M16 (AR 15's) that are "upgraded" in a few areas, but still considered "service rifles".

    If you're interested in this kinda stuff and since this is WAY off topic, you can look up the rules for shooting NRA High Power Rifle matches online. You can PM me if you want to discuss it further. I used to shoot in NRA High Power and Pistol Bullseye matches. Lots of fun it was...
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
    (unknown 'gun~writer')

    Remington 1911 R1 (Back to Basics)
    SERPA retention or concealed...

    "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson
    (Borrowed from "The Perfect Day" by LTC Dave Grossman)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •