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Maricopa County Swat Encounter

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marshaul wrote:
Maybe you'll also enjoy this website devoted entirely to anti-Joe sentiment:

http://www.arpaio.com/

I would rather read your detailed experience in obtaining a CCW permit in San Francisco.

Oh wait, silly me. There's only 10 CCW permits issued in your own city, and you're not one. Damn, doesn't that just piss you off?

So, why not throw stones at your own Sheriff or Police Chief or whoever treats you like a SUBJECT!
 
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kenpoprofessor wrote:
As a personal friend of RJ, I can assure you he can handle his business and back his talk. RJ is banned so he cannot respond, but I will act as his proxy in this instance.

Clyde
Nice to have some confirmation that he isn't taking out of his anal orifice in that instance. However, he does need to check his naivety regarding His Highness Sheriff Joe.
 

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GWbiker wrote:
marshaul wrote:
Maybe you'll also enjoy this website devoted entirely to anti-Joe sentiment:

http://www.arpaio.com/

I would rather read your detailed experience in obtaining a CCW permit in San Francisco.

Oh wait, silly me. There's only 10 CCW permits issued in your own city, and you're not one. Damn, doesn't that just piss you off?

So, why not throw stones at your own Sheriff or Police Chief or whoever treats you like a SUBJECT!

LOL, their police chief is Gascon, who we just go rid of in Mesa because of his ILLEGAL alien sancturary policies. His officers hated him. BTW, he came to AZ from LAPD, more corruption.



Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde
 

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Pistol-Packing-Preacher-in-PV wrote:
kenpoprofessor wrote:
As a personal friend of RJ, I can assure you he can handle his business and back his talk. RJ is banned so he cannot respond, but I will act as his proxy in this instance.

Clyde
Nice to have some confirmation that he isn't taking out of his anal orifice in that instance. However, he does need to check his naivety regarding His Highness Sheriff Joe.

He doesn't need to check anything, he's lived here most of his 60+ years of life. We know what the Sheriff is up to, and we'll call him on his stupidity when we need to. Otherwise, we'll let him keep his job and keep bustin' them ILLEGALS.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde
 
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kenpoprofessor wrote:
Pistol-Packing-Preacher-in-PV wrote:
kenpoprofessor wrote:
As a personal friend of RJ, I can assure you he can handle his business and back his talk. RJ is banned so he cannot respond, but I will act as his proxy in this instance.

Clyde
Nice to have some confirmation that he isn't taking out of his anal orifice in that instance. However, he does need to check his naivety regarding His Highness Sheriff Joe.

He doesn't need to check anything, he's lived here most of his 60+ years of life. We know what the Sheriff is up to, and we'll call him on his stupidity when we need to. Otherwise, we'll let him keep his job and keep bustin' them ILLEGALS.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde
OK. I'll not continue this in order to avoid turning it into a pissing contest. Thanks for the replies.
 

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GWbiker wrote:
marshaul wrote:
Maybe you'll also enjoy this website devoted entirely to anti-Joe sentiment:

http://www.arpaio.com/

I would rather read your detailed experience in obtaining a CCW permit in San Francisco.

Oh wait, silly me. There's only 10 CCW permits issued in your own city, and you're not one. Damn, doesn't that just piss you off?
Why should I do that? This is the wrong subforum in the wrong forum. That makes no sense.

There's plenty of discussion of OC in the Bay Area (discussion in which I partake) over in the CA subforum if you're interested.

Anyway, let's go back to talking about how corrupt Joe is, since the is the right subforum for that and all.
 

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What is the solution then when dangerous felons w/illegal guns have to be arrested? I don't disagree SWAT is overused, but there *is* organized crime in this country, including kiddie porn rings run by albanian, russian and other mob who carry guns. Just let them keep on kidnapping kids, setting up porn rings... come on.

I'm sorry, I fail to see the connection between the Mob and SWAT teams. Exactly what function would they serve?

And, what exactly does child porn do that SWAT is trained to prevent?



Last edited on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 07:03 by marshaul



Amen! I think there is little valid use for a full time SWAT team, rather a body of regular patrol cops with extra training on a regular basis to handle the really intense scenarios where special tactics and greater firepower are truly needed. It just smacks too much of overkill seeing hordes of JBT's or Darth Vader Police out in public so often for situations that can be handled by regular officers. A well armed populace is a good deterrent to crime and if the Sheriff's Dept needs extra backup and firepower, the Sherrif can deputise many abled persons forming up a "Sheriff"s Posse" of trained armed volunteers and significant savings on tax payer money. Doesn't Sheriff Arpaio have about 5000 members in his Posse? We have some well trained volunteer EMT and firefighters, the same can be said for forming a well trained Sheriff's Posse to rely upon in tense situations and for regular patroling needs also. Many good people who like to volunteer and help their community would be willing to help and be trained.



As for the militarisation of police or using military in law enforcement roles would be a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.
 

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marshaul wrote:
Ooh, my favorite libertarian blogger has just recently made a post about ol' Joe. How convenient!

I'm so glad to be able to share it at kenpoprofessor's request.

Classically Liberal wrote:
America's most authoritarian sheriff
Sheriff Joe Arpaio, of Maricopa County, Arizona, likes to promote himself as America's "toughest" sheriff. If by tough, one means authoritarian, then that would be accurate. There are few sheriffs in the modern world with a similar contempt for the law and the constitution. Actually it is the law that he disrespects. The constitution is just completely off his radar entirely.

Because of the numerous complaints that Arpaio engages in racial profiling the Immigration thugs told Arpaio he was no longer allowed to act on their behalf. And when Immigration thinks you are in contempt of the law and the constitution that says a lot. To get around the ban Arpaio now uses the slightest excuse to stop anyone who looks too brown for liking. Then the individual, if suspected of being an undocumented immigrant is arrest for human trafficking. The law exists to criminalize individuals smuggling in undocumented workers. Arpaio argues that any such person has smuggled himself and is thus susceptible to his authority. The same logic, I would note, would justify the arrest of all individuals under the age of 18 for child molestation if they masturbate.

Recently one of Arpaio's underlings was in court when a suspect was being sentenced. He walks over to a table for the defense attorney and swipes a privileged document. His theft was caught on video. Officer Adam Stoddard pretends he has the right to steal documents from an attorney's desk in court by claiming that it had "suspicious words" on it. Of course, even if true, the only way to know that was to pull the paper from the pile and look at it in violation of the attorney's rights. And that would invalidate any information he gathered by the act.

The judge says the officer is in contempt of court. More importantly he has shown a contempt for the law and shouldn't be a police officer. Not so, says Sheriff Joe, with his usual contempt for law and justice. The judge told the officer he must make a public apology to the attorney for violating her rights and the privacy of her documents. I would have preferred legal charges.

Sheriff Joe went ballistic—he is the law as are his deputies and they need not follow the law. Arpaio started his counterattack by claiming that attorney has links with other attorneys who allegedly smuggled contraband to prisoners (whatever that means in Arpaioland). But having "links" is not the same thing as having committed a crime. This was just Arpaio trying to tarnish the reputation of someone who embarrassed him by catching his arrogant staff acting with the same contempt for the law that Arpaio exhibits.

King Arpaio has ordered his sheriff to refuse to apologize for his actions. Arpaio says: "My officer was doing his job, and I will not stand by allow him to be thrown to the wolves by the courts because they feel pressure from the media on this situation. I decide who holds press conferences and when they are held regarding this Sheriff's Office." Doing his job? Theft is now part of the job of the sheriff's department? (This is the same department that took a tank to delivery to arrest someone on a minor charge. They left the tank parked on a hill when it rolled backwards smashing into a car almost killing a woman and her child.)

If the officer doesn't apologize he is in contempt of court and can face jail time for it. Personally I think Arpaio ought to be sharing the cell with him. Dissect Arpaio's comment and you will see several distortions of the truth—usually called lies in moral circles. An apology for acting illegally is hardly "being thrown to the wolves." And the officer was caught at the time and held in contempt. The media didn't have time to put pressure on the judge. But Arpaio has never been concerned about facts.

One local attorney, Jason Lamm, said: "Never before has this community seen such a blatant violation of the attorney-client privilege." Arpaio's claim is that the sheriff was attempting "to protect the people inside the courtroom." From what? A piece of paper? Words? It's just more Arpaio bull@#$%.


And the man who was probably one of the BEST Sheriffs in America, FormerSheriff Richard Mack of Graham County ARIZONA I think from the late 80's to mid 90's

See http://SheriffMack.com This man truly understands the proper role of Sheriff, the last line in the sand and defender of the people against Tyrrany. PLEASE check out his website to see how Sheriff Mack is waking up America's Sheriff's to their proper role to defend the citizens of his county against out of control federal and state bureaucrats from violating the RIGHTS of the people in his countyhe swore an oath to defend and protect, protect the RIGHTS, un-alienable RIGHTS of the people, upholding the CONSTITUTION. Yes the Sheriff, the highest law enforcement official in the county who has the power to even kick the feds out of the County including the President of the US if he comes into the county to violate the Constitution and the RIGHTS of the people in his county. Least i forget, the Sheriff is the only law enforcement officer to be ELECTED! So people if you want to restore LIBERTY and your RIGHT to carry, remind your Sheriff of ALL his powers he has and to do ALL of his duties or you will vote or oust him out or run for Sheriff yourself. Read the website It will open your eyes more just how much power the people really have with the Sheriff doing his duty!! We really can tell the feds to leave our guns alone and KISS OFF!!!

The only hard part that will occur is to ween the local Sheriffs depts and Police depts off of the great Federal teet, DHS Federal dollars, because then the feds do run our local law enforcement. So Local law enforcement obey the Constitution and enforce the constitution locally and when big brother federal govt dept of homeland security cuts off the fed money then the Sheriff cuts off the IRS from collecting the UNconstitutional Federal Income tax from the people in the county thus keeping the wealth of the people in the County and building up our economy from the bottom up, "keeping it local" Besides either way it's OUR MONEY! instead of sending our money to the feds who never cease trying to run our lives in every which way and dictate what we do locally, we keep all of our "fruits" of our labor in our communities and County and directly control what happensin our county without any entangling federal inteference and big globalist corporate control!

Of course similtaneously as we do these things we take back our States and our State Legislatures back out of Fed control and offof the federal teet!

http://www.QRZ.com/db/KB9QFH & http://www.SilverSnowball.com/2046
 

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I don't live in Maricopa so I can't vote for Sheriff Joe... but I would if I could. If he ran for Governor we'd vote for him down here in my chunk of cholla. San Fransicko is screwed up because it IS what it is... and liberalism/socialism/(outright) communismthatits citizens not only tolerated but applauded and made it so.
 

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Sonora Rebel wrote:
I don't live in Maricopa so I can't vote for Sheriff Joe... but I would if I could. If he ran for Governor we'd vote for him down here in my chunk of cholla. San Fransicko is screwed up because it IS what it is... and liberalism/socialism/(outright) communismthatits citizens not only tolerated but applauded and made it so.
I'm with you brother. I can't vote for Joe either. I live in Yavapai County. But if I could I'd vote for Joe in a heart beat. From what I see most of the heat Joe gets is from people not wanting him to go after the Illegals. I'm with Joe 100% the guy got some balls Rare now days
 

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lostone1413 wrote:
Sonora Rebel wrote:
I don't live in Maricopa so I can't vote for Sheriff Joe... but I would if I could. If he ran for Governor we'd vote for him down here in my chunk of cholla. San Fransicko is screwed up because it IS what it is... and liberalism/socialism/(outright) communismthatits citizens not only tolerated but applauded and made it so.
I'm with you brother. I can't vote for Joe either. I live in Yavapai County. But if I could I'd vote for Joe in a heart beat. From what I see most of the heat Joe gets is from people not wanting him to go after the Illegals. I'm with Joe 100% the guy got some balls Rare now days

I can't vote for Joe, but I'd vote against him in a heartbeat, and it's not about immigration. It's about him being a corrupt thug who ignores the Constitution. He's all "law & order" so long as it's his law and his order.

Making up his own laws, hassling and charging political opponents... the guy is a Lincoln-esque tyrant.
 

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KBCraig wrote:
lostone1413 wrote:
Sonora Rebel wrote:
I don't live in Maricopa so I can't vote for Sheriff Joe... but I would if I could. If he ran for Governor we'd vote for him down here in my chunk of cholla. San Fransicko is screwed up because it IS what it is... and liberalism/socialism/(outright) communismthatits citizens not only tolerated but applauded and made it so.
I'm with you brother. I can't vote for Joe either. I live in Yavapai County. But if I could I'd vote for Joe in a heart beat. From what I see most of the heat Joe gets is from people not wanting him to go after the Illegals. I'm with Joe 100% the guy got some balls Rare now days

I can't vote for Joe, but I'd vote against him in a heartbeat, and it's not about immigration. It's about him being a corrupt thug who ignores the Constitution. He's all "law & order" so long as it's his law and his order.

Making up his own laws, hassling and charging political opponents... the guy is a Lincoln-esque tyrant.
Some, like me, want to believe he's enforcing the laws that the corrupt government refuses to. Unfortunately, instead of focusing seemingly entirely on the symptom (criminal invaders), he should also arrest the cause: traitors in our government that are acting as agents of Mexico above serving the U.S.

Both sovereignty and Article III, Section 3, may as well not exist as they are rarely if ever enforced to the fullest extent of the law.
 

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Well if you look at the vote in the elections it shows most people believe Joe is doing a good job. Funny it seems most of the ones I read here that seem to be against Joe if you look at the location aren't even living in Arizona
 

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lostone1413 wrote:
Well if you look at the vote in the elections it shows most people believe Joe is doing a good job. Funny it seems most of the ones I read here that seem to be against Joe if you look at the location aren't even living in Arizona
Amen to that. So many of those who show Joe no love are not Zonies. I have a solution. Don't move here and stop b!tching about it. Elect your own socialist open-border officials, and lets see how your town fairs....
 

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The reason that these people don't like Joe is 'causethose leftoid chuckle-heads on the boob tube said so. They have no first hand anything to go by 'cept what they hear about the tents,pink underwear 'n green baloney. 'Sorry to say... but they're typical mouth-breathers.

For all you nay-sayers... pleeze... stay put. Don't come here... not even to visit. Go someplace else or better yet... go stand in the corner 'n suck yer thumbs.
 

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Sonora Rebel wrote:
The reason that these people don't like Joe is 'causethose leftoid chuckle-heads on the boob tube said so. They have no first hand anything to go by 'cept what they hear about the tents,pink underwear 'n green baloney. 'Sorry to say... but they're typical mouth-breathers.

For all you nay-sayers... pleeze... stay put. Don't come here... not even to visit. Go someplace else or better yet... go stand in the corner 'n suck yer thumbs.
I'm with you on that. When I read so many out of state bad mouth Joe I only think of how many move to AZ wanting to make us like the state that they left. Your so so right STAY PUT!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Huh. I was born in Arizona, have lived here all my life, and I'm no fan of Joe.

I like law enforcement that does their job without playing politics (at least no more than necessary), showboating, infringing the rights of citizens, or general jackassery.
 

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AZkopper wrote:
lostone1413 wrote:
Well if you look at the vote in the elections it shows most people believe Joe is doing a good job. Funny it seems most of the ones I read here that seem to be against Joe if you look at the location aren't even living in Arizona
Amen to that. So many of those who show Joe no love are not Zonies. I have a solution. Don't move here and stop b!tching about it. Elect your own socialist open-border officials, and lets see how your town fairs....
Actually, of all the symptoms of San Francisco's rather silly "sanctuary status", the freeing of the labor market has had no negative effects whatsoever.

There's plenty bad to be said about the way San Francisco steals money to give to parasites, but so far behaving as though we have "open borders" works just fine, as every real libertarian would predict. Any problems derive from handouts, not liberty.

As usual.
 

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Yeah... but you're in Prissycott. Some people went bug-eyed up there at the site ofmy sidearm. That happens in University towns... along with the leftoid politics.
 

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N6ATF wrote:
KBCraig wrote:
lostone1413 wrote:
Sonora Rebel wrote:
I don't live in Maricopa so I can't vote for Sheriff Joe... but I would if I could.  If he ran for Governor we'd vote for him down here in my chunk of cholla.  San Fransicko is screwed up because it IS what it is... and liberalism/socialism/(outright) communism that its citizens not only tolerated but applauded and made it so.
I'm with you brother. I can't vote for Joe either. I live in Yavapai County. But if I could I'd vote for Joe in a heart beat. From what I see most of the heat Joe gets is from people not wanting him to go after the Illegals. I'm with Joe 100% the guy got some balls Rare now days

I can't vote for Joe, but I'd vote against him in a heartbeat, and it's not about immigration. It's about him being a corrupt thug who ignores the Constitution. He's all "law & order" so long as it's his law and his order.

Making up his own laws, hassling and charging political opponents... the guy is a Lincoln-esque tyrant.
Some, like me, want to believe he's enforcing the laws that the corrupt government refuses to. Unfortunately, instead of focusing seemingly entirely on the symptom (criminal invaders), he should also arrest the cause: traitors in our government that are acting as agents of Mexico above serving the U.S.

Both sovereignty and Article III, Section 3, may as well not exist as they are rarely if ever enforced to the fullest extent of the law.
I'd like to believe that Obama believes in "Change".

The difference is, I'm not rushing out to buy a bridge.

BTW, do you believe immigration laws are higher than Constitutional mandates?

I don't watch TV, Sonora. I dislike Joe because of his flagrant disregard for the Constitution you so adamantly claim to love -- as long as we're talking about guns and not illegals.

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