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IndianaBoy79 wrote:
It's funny to me some of you want to make this a battle right and wrong. I don't think one person took issue with how John or Ecock handled the situation. Several comments were made regarding the officers' actions. Several of us made the statement that WE would respond differently. I've met you both in person and you carry yourselves well in public; i have no issue with you. I only take issue with the view that somehow doing it YOUR way is the polite way, and showing any amount of resistance must be "acting like a jackass". It seems that view is prevalent amongst more than a few of you.
In my opinion, it is a personal decision based upon the circumstances rather than an absolute one IB.
Yes, we have carried together before without incident. Equally, it is clear to me that you approach it with a slightly different POV than I do.
I have no problems carrying around you although it is apparent that some approach these events with a predisposition towards creating an incident rather than resolving it. Thoseindividuals who persist in looking for a confrontation where they can prove themselves, arethe ones I wish to avoid. There is a big difference between visitingplaces which are questionable with an approach ofworking on clarification and education versus going into a place with the deliberate intention to create a scene and seek hostile confrontation.Living up to the antics attributed to gun-owners by ignorant persons such as Mr. Trudeau is not serving the best interests of the gun-carrying community (again, my opinion, you do what you feel is appropriate).
Had a SWAT team burst through the door with drawn weapons, manhandling us to the floor,proning us out and demanding ID, would I have reacted differently? Undoubtedly.
Had the manager or a customer approached us and challenged us with threats or hysterics, things would have played differently also.
In those scenarios would refusing ID and pushing back on an unlawful search and seizure be appropriate? Yes, or at least much more probably. Although largely symbolic if you've been ambushed and proned, youracceptance/agreement/lack of resistancecould well come into question in the resulting court case IF these scenarios had played out.
But, this wasn't any of thosesituations so it didn't meet my criteria to react confrontationally, which would have been acting like a jackass. I have yet to meet one of these jack-booted, fascist police officers which are so popularly featuredin many of the stories around here. Rest assured though that IF I ever do meet one of these legendary brutes, I will document it here for all the world to read about. For whatever reason though, I keep meeting normal guys and gals who smile, are polite, never draw or attempt to touch me as they do their jobs.
Wonder why that would be?