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    Angry Blog post from an AZ-anti

    Careful reading this - the guy's "logic" is likely to cause a stroke:


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    ╗ On 9/17/2010 02:15:00 PM Mountain Standard Time, Alan wrote:
    Gunfight At The Shopping-Cart Corral.

    shopping cart corralSo, the wife and I were shopping at our local natural-foods grocery store this morning. No, we're not tree-huggers. They just have a nice fruit section. Peaches and sh*t.

    We were browsing through the peach aisle when my wife urgently pulled me aside: "Did you see that guy?"

    "What guy?" I craned my neck to peek around behind her.

    "Don't look. He might shoot."

    "Whaaaat?!" That really captured my attention. Sure enough, some corpulent 80-year-old a**hole was standing in front of the donut peaches, packing a pistol. Rosewood-checkered grip, tooled-leather holster, the whole bit. Not a law enforcement guy, just some retired jerkoff who evidently wanted to enhance the perceived size of his schlong.

    Allow me to digress for a moment: the last time I wore a gun and a tooled-leather holster, I was six years old. I had imaginary shootouts with Tommy, who lived next door. Our guns were just cap pistols. Nobody got hurt, unless you tried to drop a big rock on several rolls of caps. (Don't try this at home. I speak from experience.) We loved wearing the full cowboy drag. And we enjoyed using our guns and holsters.

    Until we outgrew them.

    At age six.

    I mean, everybody outgrows them, right?

    Well, apparently not.

    Okay, back to Mr. Second-f___ing-Amendment: when I saw that gun in the grocery store, steam started shooting from my ears. I marched up to the front office and loudly demanded to see the manager. When he arrived, I was apoplectic: "If you're gonna allow this kind of behavior in your store, I'm not gonna shop here anymore."

    The manager was apologetic: "I can't stop him. Arizona is a Right-To-Carry state."

    no firearms allowed "You can't post a 'No Firearms Allowed' sign on the door?"

    "Sadly, no."

    I riposted: "Bars can do it."

    "I know. But that's because they sell alcohol."

    "Then it's high time to get a liquor license."

    He nodded. "I hear you."

    "So, guns are off-limits in bars, schools, government buildings, airports and airliners. You think it's a good idea to allow them in your grocery store?"

    "No, but..."

    "And it's not like this white-bread neighborhood is dangerous. The worst criminals you have are jaywalkers."

    "Exactly. I recently moved here from California, and I can't believe what these people get away with."

    I pulled out the big guns: "Displaying a gun is an implied threat of violence. His threat has spread fear in your customers. Instilling fear is a hallmark of terrorism. Under some definitions, he has already committed a terrorist act."

    He sympathized. "Guns are just murders waiting to happen." But then he shrugged.

    The shrug derailed me. What's that Edmund Burke quote? "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing."

    I shuffled back to the peach aisle, tail between my legs. The gun-totin' a**hole had moved over to the nectarine aisle. My wife said: "Well?"

    "It's legal. Nothing to be done."

    "You're kidding." Let me explain: she's European. And like most civilized people, she often has trouble understanding some of Arizona's mediŠval laws.

    I shook my head. "Nope. And I can't say anything to him. If he's psycho enough to wear a gun in a grocery store, he's psycho enough to use it. All of us would end up on the evening news, looking like Swiss cheese."

    She was silent for a long time. "You're afraid of him?"

    "Duh."

    "Then I will buy you a gun at Christmas. And you will buy one for me."

    "Huh?" I couldn't believe my ears. Every now and then, she has trouble with the English language. I was beginning to wonder if this was one of those times.

    "We will return here on December 26th, and we will stand in front of that old fasz with our brand-new guns, and we will call him out." 'Fasz' is the Hungarian word for 'pr*ck.' When she starts peppering her conversation with Magyar expletives, it's a pretty good indication she's having no trouble at all with her English. "And if he tries to walk away, we will laugh at the size of his tiny shriveled-up fasz."

    "He'll draw. You know he'll draw."

    "He's old. We're faster."

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    Typical anti post, where they first have to use insults to set the premise of unfounded fears.
    "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"
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    wow, talk about being mental. Can't wait till he grows a pair and actually tries to confront someone who is OC. Hopefully it is someone who can give him the verbal whipping and education he deserves.


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    I bet his tone would change real fast if someone had tried to take everyone in the building hostage and that old man had saved the day.

    This story has the usual identifiers of anti-gun liberals:
    -Shops in natural foods store
    -A European is involved
    -A Californian is involved
    -A plethora of insults are used to describe both AZ law and the armed citizen
    -misinformed of the gun laws
    -the inexplicable fear of murder/getting shot/spontaneous gun fight

    I also read through some of his other blog posts. This man is delirious. He suggests in another post that we replace airbags with spikes to thin the herd of bad drivers. He mentions medieval law in several other places as if he were living in a police state. He talks about how he as a poor person in scottsdale is somehow inferior to the many affluent people that live there. He is more than an anti-gun imbecile, he is a full on nut job.

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    They need to watch the movie " Hostel".

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    ......I recently moved here from California, and I can't believe what these people get away with
    Must we read any further?

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    ...That's satirical, right? I mean...no one can REALLY be that stupid AND be capable of using the internet...

    The stupidity hurts my brain. Move back to California, or move to Chicago if you like living in places where you don't have to be afraid of people legally carrying guns for self defense.

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    AZ Anti Nutcase....

    ROFLMAO!!!!! What a DORK!! btw,, a dork is a male whale's organ.......

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    W-O-W...talk about a nutter. Typical projection mechanism, which was literally voiced towards the end by the Hungarian wife: thinking that if you have a gun you're going to shoot someone. What she's really saying is, "If *I* had a gun, I *might* shoot someone."

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    I wqnt to encounter this guy... somewhere, anywhere. I want him to say something directly... not snivel off to the 'manager'... or whomever. He's in disregard of the Constitution... or the actual meaning of a right. That 'old man' has prob'ly been carrying a gun before this peach-suckin' schmuck was born.

    sonoran_Tj nailed it!

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    Wow, just......wow.

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    A pile of insults, presumptions, and flat-out lies; displayed in a fashion to make idenitification of them as such virtually impossible to avoid.

    He's tooting his horn for left-wing fanboys who have already put out their own eyes.

    For any sane, rational person, all he's doing is displaying his sign.

    Remember Bill Engvall? This ******-bag is making it too easy. He made his own sign and he's showing it off...

    Among the many mental dysfunctions of liberalism, hatred is the one held most dear.
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    Is it just me being blind, or is there no place to leave comments/rebuttals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PavePusher View Post
    Is it just me being blind, or is there no place to leave comments/rebuttals?
    Of course not LOL. that means the FREE exchange of ideas. If he so uncomfortable go back to Europe where they outlaw that **** lol
    Patrick Henry didn't say "Give me safety , or give me death". Liberty is what America is about.

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    Funny. This effete little priss reinforces my belief about libtards. That they are too scared to protect themselves, and too shamed by anyone who is willing to do so. Therefore, nobody should be allowed to have firearms.

    I like how his wife actually has a set of balls. Bet she leaves him some day? Even female liberals can't continuously respect a man who completely lacks a set of testicles.

    Unsurprisingly, he's deleted and closed his comments. Sad to see such cowardice in an American male.

    I just deleted a half-dozen really nasty comments from other Open Salon members.
    New members, mostly. It looks like they joined mainly to trash this posting, and me.
    Abusive. Threatening. Personal attacks. And no sense of humor.
    They pretty much confirmed my attitudes about gun-toters.
    My OS postings rarely get feedback, so I wondered why so many comments showed up in just a day or two.
    That's when Google found this thread:
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...rom-an-AZ-anti
    Yikes.
    My personal blog is mirrored here at OS, and I don't allow comments there, so they actually tracked me down here.
    It looks like they cruise the web, trying to pick fights.
    So I've closed the comments here at Open Salon.
    It's sad, but I certainly don't want to engage with people like them.

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    I absolutely adore precious liberal cupcakes like this guy.

    He feigns fear of reprisal by people who actually mean to protect themselves, and if push comes to shove, him too.

    He will walk up to the counter, and pester the manager of a supermarket for sight of an 80-year old man who elects to open carry.

    OH NO GUY WAS HE GOING QUICKDRAW MCGRAW ON DEM PEACHES?

    No, he wasn't you sad failure of life, liberty, and freedom.

    He was shopping.

    How AMAZINGLY TERRIFYING!



    Disregard this guys idiotic banter. He lacks the braincells necessary to process rational thought, or exercise critical thinking.

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    sounds like that anti REALLY needs to grow a backbone--sadly though he wouldn't recognize one if one was staring him in the face. As for his wife--if she does not like it in Arizona I'm sure Kommiefornia or even D.C might be more to her liking.

    Or they could just move back to Europe--yes that might be better, and they can take the rest of the Constitution hating antis with them.
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    I really wish Tennessee could be a state where no permit is required to carry. We just have way too many people in this state who basically worship the handgun carry permit privilege.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    I really wish Tennessee could be a state where no permit is required to carry. We just have way too many people in this state who basically worship the handgun carry permit privilege.
    I remember reading an article posted on Free Republic where a legislator in TN was proposing Constitutional Carry.

    And, you are right, the resistance from gun owners will be a real jaw-dropper. Here in Arizona it came from many supposedly friendly fronts (we have found the enemy and it is us).

    The "training cartel" that suckled at the government teat created by the mandated training and state "annointment" of instructors was (and still is) furious over their loss of what they perceived as an entitlement.

    Then the "I got mine, you should get yours" attitude from CCW holders was an eye opener. Then, there was the group that insisted that there was a difference between open carry (no training required) and discreet carry that required training. And, it was amazing how many bought into the mindset that it's best for their government masters to determine who should and should not be able to carry a gun in a state where open carry has been Constitutional for almost 100 years.

    If you want to see it done in TN, I recommend a transition from the "they oughta, wanna, shoulda do this," to "I" will do something about this and get other people who want to move from bitching and moaning to actually getting things done. That means drafting legislation, "selling" it to friendly legislators, tesitying in committee hearings and rabble rousing to make a lot of noise. Expect to find your dick in the dirt, but remember, when you fall on your face you are still moving forward. Get up, dust off and get back in the fight. It took AzCDL 5 years to get Constitutional Carry. We "incrementalized" our progress with small victories (ask for the stars and accept the planets) every year until finally everything aligned and we were able to go for the brass ring. It CAN be done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by azcdlfred View Post
    remember, when you fall on your face you are still moving forward.
    Great quote...might have to appropriate that. I agree there needs to be unity for anything to get done. I was a CCW in holder in MO before I moved to AZ and getting my AZ CWP was one of my first acts as a new resident, and I don't begrudge anyone. OC/CC it is still a responsibility, and like Uncle Ben says, "With great power comes great responsibility." Everyone should take it upon themselves to posses at least a rudimentary skill-at-arms if they're going to carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mFonz77 View Post
    OC/CC it is still a responsibility, and like Uncle Ben says, "With great power comes great responsibility." Everyone should take it upon themselves to posses at least a rudimentary skill-at-arms if they're going to carry.
    The heaviest thing about wearing a gun is the responsbility that comes with it. A CCW permit, and the training for it, doesn't translate to "competency" with a handgun. It's great to know AZ law and gun safety, but that doesn't mean a person has even the fundamental skill at arms to use that tool hanging on their belt.

    Hopefully, now that people are no longer wedded to the government mandated training (minimum required = maximum achieved) they can spend their money on places like Front Sight (my preference) and Gunsite that teach them the skill at arms that goes along with the responsibilty of being armed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azcdlfred View Post
    I remember reading an article posted on Free Republic where a legislator in TN was proposing Constitutional Carry.

    And, you are right, the resistance from gun owners will be a real jaw-dropper. Here in Arizona it came from many supposedly friendly fronts (we have found the enemy and it is us).

    The "training cartel" that suckled at the government teat created by the mandated training and state "annointment" of instructors was (and still is) furious over their loss of what they perceived as an entitlement.

    Then the "I got mine, you should get yours" attitude from CCW holders was an eye opener. Then, there was the group that insisted that there was a difference between open carry (no training required) and discreet carry that required training. And, it was amazing how many bought into the mindset that it's best for their government masters to determine who should and should not be able to carry a gun in a state where open carry has been Constitutional for almost 100 years.

    If you want to see it done in TN, I recommend a transition from the "they oughta, wanna, shoulda do this," to "I" will do something about this and get other people who want to move from bitching and moaning to actually getting things done. That means drafting legislation, "selling" it to friendly legislators, tesitying in committee hearings and rabble rousing to make a lot of noise. Expect to find your dick in the dirt, but remember, when you fall on your face you are still moving forward. Get up, dust off and get back in the fight. It took AzCDL 5 years to get Constitutional Carry. We "incrementalized" our progress with small victories (ask for the stars and accept the planets) every year until finally everything aligned and we were able to go for the brass ring. It CAN be done!

    Fred
    Ok, so I have a question--who in AZ drafted the initial legislation--was it a coop of AZ OC'ers, the AZCDL--which we don't have anything along the lines of a AZcdl or VCDL here in Tennessee--I assume you mean the AZ citizens defense league? What we have here is the "Tennessee Firearms Association"--which is only interested in maintaining the status quo as it is and keeping their sacred cow otherwise known as the Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit intact--it is about money here and not about training. The state of Tennessee could not care less whether you do or do not know how to use a gun--the state likes that $115 Tennessee permit application fee they get--plus an additional $50 every time you renew--every 4yrs..It is also about the "training course" you take which can run from $50-125, the fingerprint fee of $3 and if you don't own a gun then you have to pay an additional $15-25 for the rental.

    Now all of the wonderful news about that "training" you take that everyone here and everywhere else just stands in awe of--it is an 8hr class. 4 hours you sit in a classroom with your pistol on the table (unloaded of course), listen to a boring video, watch a nice police officer demonstrate how to properly hold a gun, they tell you about the Tennessee Code Annotated as it relates to self-defense, defense of a third person and so on, they tell you about how the Handgun carry permit is a "defense" to the charge of "going armed with the intent to go armed" in this state, and how CC is good, while OC is horribly bad although perfectly legal and that you WILL get detained and questioned if they see you OC here.....THEN you get to go out to the range about 30 miles away deep in the woods and there you get to fire your pistol I think it was 10rds practice and then 50rds after that for your qualification and you had to score a minimum score from 5, 10 and 15yds in order to get your shiny permit privilege card in the mail before you can actually go out and exercise your TN legislature mandated privilege-which they can take from you just as easily as they give it.

    I would like to see TN come into the mainstream and ride the wave of Constitutional carry for a change.


    The liberal antis wailed and moaned about how there would be drunken shootouts once we had carry where alcohol is served passed--so far no shootouts that I have heard about in the news as a result of Tennessee now having the ability to carry into places where alcohol is served for onsite consumption as long as you don't drink while carrying. They wailed and cried how state park carry would make every park in the state unsafe--again no surge in violence, no shootouts....and they will wail and moan like you would not believe when the issue of Constitutional carry is finally introduced into the legislature.

    Sadly though I see as has been pointed out that some of the worst opposition will come from the concealed carry crowd and the trainers who will finally see their cash cow being sent out to pasture.
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    This fellow lives about 7-8 miles from me, and I am fairly certain I know the natural foods grocery store to which he is referring. I may have to start making the occasional shopping trip there; I'd love the opportunity to strike up a conversation (politely, of course) with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    Ok, so I have a question--who in AZ drafted the initial legislation--was it a coop of AZ OC'ers, the AZCDL--which we don't have anything along the lines of a AZcdl or VCDL here in Tennessee--I assume you mean the AZ citizens defense league?
    We (AzCDL) present "suggested" language to friendly legislators who are responsbile for drafting bills.

    What we have here is the "Tennessee Firearms Association"--which is only interested in maintaining the status quo
    Just because the Tennessee Firearms Association (TFA) exists doesn't mean that there can be only one group representing gun owners.

    If you have people who are willing to get invovled, you don't need the permission of the TFA. They probably have their hands full doing other things, and like you said, changing the CCW laws are not on their agenda. Start your own group. That's what we did in AZ.

    I would like to see TN come into the mainstream and ride the wave of Constitutional carry for a change.
    If you want it bad enough then do something. Rather than post messages on online forums, start contacting your legislators. Find other like-minded individuals, set goals, formulate a plan, get invovled. You're either on the steamroller or you're part of the road.

    Sadly though I see as has been pointed out that some of the worst opposition will come from the concealed carry crowd and the trainers who will finally see their cash cow being sent out to pasture.
    So, you have given up already?

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    Must we read any further?
    As awful as it sounds, I think we do. This complete lack of reason by Alan and his wife--both anti-carry yet willing to use the Second Amendment right enforced by the state of Arizona so they can commit assault on a man in the parking lot of a grocery store--is a reminder that our Federal- and State-granted rights are under constant attack.

    First of all, I confess I came from California. I initially freaked out at the idea that anyone could be carrying a deadly weapon. Fortunately, my husband was raised with firearms. In summer of 2009, I picked up my first pistol and used it at a shooting range; now I own a pistol which I use, as a member, at that same shooting range.

    For me, the move to Arizona opened my eyes. I always lived in terror of criminals in California, but it was so much a part of life that it became part of the background FUD that is being a California resident. As time passed, I started to feel safe in Arizona. The delusion that perhaps the police could arrive in time to catch the criminal and call an ambulance as I was bleeding out onto the street was gone. In its place was the comfort that citizens who had been trained to carry and who practiced with firearms were all around me. Once upon a time, I felt fear going into businesses which allowed people to open-carry or concealed-carry firearms; today, I refuse to shop anywhere that is anti-CCW because I want those people around me. To me, a business which is anti-CCW has given criminals a very clear message that they will be able to perpetrate their crimes unopposed. I consider the recent rape of a woman in the bathroom of a posted anti-CCW restaurant to prove my point, if only to myself. Criminals will go where they are unlikely to face immediate consequences; law-abiding people go where their rights are not infringed upon. Therefore, I patronize pro-CCW businesses. (An added benefit of increased personal savings--I don't shop at my two nearest malls any more because they have posted anti-carry--though not using the proper ARS posting).

    I still have business in California, and I have come to hate crossing the border. I know that my life is in danger because where I have to go forces me to rely on already over-burdened law enforcement to arrive in time to save my life.

    While I personally do not carry (I am not confident enough that I can keep a criminal from taking my weapon, and I am still meditating on my willingness to take any life if an innocent human life is at risk), I appreciate so much that others have made that very sober and serious decision to do so.

    I came from California . . . and I woke up. Though the summers are brutal here in comparison to where I came from, I would rather have brutal summers and feel safe than live in paradise and know it's a matter of time before I am a victim of a criminal who will likely get away with my murder.

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