No Guns at Great Wolf Lodge in Williamsburg

jmelvin · May 11, 2011

user said:
Not familiar with that place, or the sign. Is it posted on the entrances to the building? This one looks to be in a display case, in which case, I'd take it to mean no guns are present in the display case. Which is clear from the picture, there are indeed no guns in the display case.

It is not conspicuously posted at the entrance to the property, which is what would be required of someone who's already got a contract with the lodge for the room. The contract turns it into a "civil matter", and any cop who attempts to interfere would be engaging in the tort of "intentional interference with economic relations". For someone who simply wandered in, with no contract, then remaining on the property after having been notified to get out would be a trespasser, subject to defenses of the sign's being inconspicuous, ambiguous, and not communicating anything other than the lack of firearms in the case.

Do they have "terms and conditions" you have to sign up to in order to reserve a room that include a no-firearms provision?

User, the hotel has provided the terms and conditions for lodging (see my other posts and their website). I am having trouble finding the appropriate Code of Virginia section that would address what appears to the bait and switch trick their trying here by not listing their prohibition on firearms as an applicable restriction for staying at the resort. Do you have any suggestions?

* I just discovered this Administrative Code section which would address "bait and switch" tactics in the selling or leasing of real property, but I'm not certain if this would apply to lodging rentals.

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?000+reg+18VAC135-20-300

Hendu024 · May 11, 2011

The sign was posted inside the main entrance. You walk in the front doors and there is a breezeway type area, a set of double doors to the left and right and the wall in the middle. The American flag is in a glass case, and the No Firearms sign is nailed into the wall right below the case.

I was in that area to meet a VAGT member, and just stopped in to see what it was all about. I didn't ask about anything in regards to the sign, I just went in real quick to grab some pamphlets and saw it on the way out.

user · May 12, 2011

jmelvin said:
User, the hotel has provided the terms and conditions for lodging (see my other posts and their website). I am having trouble finding the appropriate Code of Virginia section that would address what appears to the bait and switch trick their trying here by not listing their prohibition on firearms as an applicable restriction for staying at the resort. Do you have any suggestions?...

Take a look at the Virginia Consumer Protection Act, section 59.1-200, in particular, paragraphs 8 and 14. Section 59.1-204 provides your right to sue, but in order to get'em, you'd have to pay money, go there, have someone try to tell you you can't have a gun or you'll have to leave, then you leave, and forfeiting your deposit (or suffering other loss, such as lost time and gasoline, and having to pay extra for similar lodging facilities elsewhere). In other words, you have to call their bluff and be willing to incur a loss. You could file suit at the place where the contract was entered into - if you did it online, that place is your home.

jmelvin · May 12, 2011

Thanks for the reply!

peter nap · May 12, 2011

What a wonderful day in Virginia

jmelvin · May 12, 2011

Watchoo talking about Willis?

JamesCanby · May 12, 2011

jmelvin said:
Watchoo talking about Willis?

I suspect that he's implying that you don't want to pre-announce, publically, your intentions.

JustaGlocklover · May 12, 2011

Never noticed the sign

I have been to the Williamsburg location for a business event but never noticed the sign. I won' t be staying there again. Op. Thanks for the heads up !

ed · May 12, 2011

JustaGlocklover said:
I have been to the Williamsburg location for a business event but never noticed the sign. I won' t be staying there again. Op. Thanks for the heads up !

Make sure you let them know.. we all should be writing to them locally and to corporate

nuc65 · May 12, 2011

TFred said:
Don't even have to read the link... we've talked about this several times... Public housing is just what you think it is... housing subsidized by the state. Sort of falls under the same idea of preemption, but not exactly.

Just speaking for me... any time I stay in a hotel in a non-repressed State, I don't look for signs on doors... I bring my friends Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson right in the room with me.

Probably not a bad idea to be discrete during check-in though.

TFred

I thought one's curtilage included a hotel room in which you are spending the night?

nuc65 · May 12, 2011

Walt_Kowalski said:
You got a typo in the last sentence Ed

'Abiding'

second to last sentence

MSC 45ACP · May 14, 2011

Locals should stop in to visit...

Perhaps I should stop in at Great Wolf to check the place out next time I make it up to Pierces for lunch... I've visited there before and don't remember seeing that sign.

ed · May 19, 2011

ed said:

Response Received.

peter nap · May 19, 2011

Great Ed...You at least got their attention!

Does that mean their housekeepers are children or do they let children roam the rooms while the guests are out?

Grapeshot · May 19, 2011

Do they not allow alcohol in their rooms? How about knives? They provide bathtubs that can be filled with water, pillows that can be used as weapons and (gasp) have a swimming pool.

I abhor the ignorance displayed when some one plays the "but it is for the children" card.

Perhaps they should not allow children to stay in such an unsafe place. I won't.

peter nap · May 19, 2011

Grapeshot said:
Do they not allow alcohol in their rooms? How about knives? They provide bathtubs that can be filled with water, pillows that can be used as weapons and (gasp) have a swimming pool.

I abhor the ignorance displayed when some one plays the "but it is for the children" card.

Perhaps they should not allow children to stay in such an unsafe place. I won't.

The letter was so ridiculous it's hard to comment on GS!
I guess he figures that if he brings children into it, everyone will just accept it.

ProShooter · May 19, 2011

ed said:
Response Received.

I could be wrong here, but I think Mr. Brown just told you to go crap in your hat.....

just sayin'.......

TFred · May 19, 2011

Not only did he insult you personally (how much more condescending can you get than "I don't think you took the time to think out your concerns"), he is self-righteous as well.

There's nothing worse than a self-righteous anti-gunner. The ones that are power hungry, you can understand and deal with. The self-righteous ones are simply ignorant and deluded enough to think that in their little fantasy world, guns really can be "ordered" out of existence. And yes, that is probably a personal insult to the author of that letter... but I would never write that to him personally.

TFred

jmelvin · May 19, 2011

I wonder if this manager realizes that by not posting all of the rules they have put themselves to be in jeoparday of the law by not laying out all policies at the time of contract signing.

I would expect that hotel management would direct their housekeepers to stay out of tenants personal affects, whether they be firearms, underwear, medicine or jewelry. I would also expect that the management has done the due diligence to ensure that the people that they grant access to tenants personal affects be someone who has a history of reliability without a significant criminal background that might indicate a willingness to steal and plunder.

This man runs a business that has cars pulling on the parking lot, pits full of water, alcohol at the ready for anyone to consume and probably pornography at easy access to children with the remote and this jack-ass is worried that responsible people will leave their personal protection tools within easy access of kids. I'm thinking he has bigger things to worry about.

ed · May 19, 2011

so.. maybe you should ALL write him

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