No Guns at Great Wolf Lodge in Williamsburg

[Claytron]

Not only did he insult you personally (how much more condescending can you get than "I don't think you took the time to think out your concerns"), he is self-righteous as well.

There's nothing worse than a self-righteous anti-gunner. The ones that are power hungry, you can understand and deal with. The self-righteous ones are simply ignorant and deluded enough to think that in their little fantasy world, guns really can be "ordered" out of existence. And yes, that is probably a personal insult to the author of that letter... but I would never write that to him personally.

TFred

I have to admit i thought the managers response letter was pretty professional and polite, it was the OPs letter that i found to be rude.

*silly sign- stupid idea- (not so) great wolf lodge-* etc etc.... If you dont find that stuff to be antagonistic or rude in anyway them im not sure how you feel that the response letter was insulting or innaporpriate...

 

[Claytron]

I wonder if this manager realizes that by not posting all of the rules they have put themselves to be in jeoparday of the law by not laying out all policies at the time of contract signing.

I would expect that hotel management would direct their housekeepers to stay out of tenants personal affects, whether they be firearms, underwear, medicine or jewelry. I would also expect that the management has done the due diligence to ensure that the people that they grant access to tenants personal affects be someone who has a history of reliability without a significant criminal background that might indicate a willingness to steal and plunder.

This man runs a business that has cars pulling on the parking lot, pits full of water, alcohol at the ready for anyone to consume and probably pornography at easy access to children with the remote and this jack-ass is worried that responsible people will leave their personal protection tools within easy access of kids. I'm thinking he has bigger things to worry about.

In the letter he didnt just say that he worried about a child finding a loaded gun, he said it HAD happened. Im sure that hes also not referring to someone having a loaded gun hidden in their luggage that some thief found, im guessing hes talking about a patron or patrons leaving the loaded firearm out of a desk, bed or dresser etc where its in plain view to the cleaners or some kid.

 

[jmelvin]

I think I'll write the corporate office and CC this clown. For some reason he thinks it's responsible to leave children around water pools and alcohol. I'll post up my letter when I come up with something.

 

[Hoplite]

Some interesting facts from the CDC on drowning vs. accidental firearms deaths

New poster, long time lurker here...

Looked this up on the CDC website because I was curious about a waterpark's concern with accidental firearms deaths vs. the elephant in the room, i.e., drowning...

For 2007 (most recent year for which the data has been compiled and reported)

Total (all ages) deaths by drowning in the US: 3,443

Total (all ages) for accidental firearms deaths in the US: 613

For children ages <1-14 for drowning in the US: 739

For children ages <1-14 for accidental firearms deaths in the US: 65

Granted, none of these numbers are even statistically significant in a country of over 300 million people, but it it is interesting to note that a child under age 15 is over ten times more likely to drown than to be accidentally killed by a firearm.


I wonder what the statistics are for Great Wolf Lodge?


Link to the report (the relevant table is found on page 35):

http://www.cdc.gov/NCHS/data/nvsr/nvsr58/nvsr58_19.pdf

 

[jmelvin]

Welcome hoplite! I was thinking of using those statistics in my mailing to the CEO of the corporation when I get a round tuit. Thanks for bringing it up here!

 

[Hoplite]

Thanks jmelvin. I hope it helps. Then again, antis tend to be visceral in their opposition and somehow one death by firearm is worse than ten deaths by drowning. :banghead:

 

[Grapeshot]

Thanks jmelvin. I hope it helps. Then again, antis tend to be visceral in their opposition and somehow one death by firearm is worse than ten deaths by drowning. :banghead:

One fits their agenda, the other doesn't.

They are not trying to ban water.

 

[paramedic70002]

Homework assignment:

Google "Great Wolf Lodge Drowning" "Great Wolf Lodge Gun" and "Great Wolf Lodge Shooting."

The results are stunning.

Perhaps we should start alerting other attractions that offer the shooting sports, that they need to de-list Great Wolf Lodge as a nearby attraction.

 

[peter nap]

One fits their agenda, the other doesn't.

They are not trying to ban water.

Yep!
The time to change them is when times get tight. Hopefully gas prices and the economy in general will give them a bad year. Then start heating things up for them. They are in a very costly business and one bad season plus a lot of bad publicity can destroy the business.

 

[Grapeshot]

Homework assignment:

Google "Great Wolf Lodge Drowning" "Great Wolf Lodge Gun" and "Great Wolf Lodge Shooting."

The results are stunning.

Perhaps we should start alerting other attractions that offer the shooting sports, that they need to de-list Great Wolf Lodge as a nearby attraction.

Wow that was enlightening.

It would appear that water is a far, far greater hazard than self-defense tools. Kids drown there in spite of their "award winning safety program.

Not all of their lodges have signs/rules against guns it would seem. In fact some have extremely secure in-room safes.
http://forum.pafoa.org/general-2/7501-carry-great-wolf-lodge-poconos.html

 

[Hoplite]

I guess it "feels" safer if you ban guns from your waterpark. Plus it distracts attention from all the drownings!

If I have to leave my gun in a hotel room I like to field strip it and take one of the parts with me so even if my gun is stolen it is non-functional. :monkey

 

[Skeptic]

Seems not even taking a brief getaway is simple these days. Oh well I have another letter to write. I actually was close to reserving a suite for a stay there for my family since they sent me a discount offer (apparently business is not exactly hot)

I just find it ridiculous that they chose to do this in Williamsburg of all places. Perhaps they decided to locate themselves there because they were fans of the redcoats?