The document I found indicates that not a single person could be shown to have left. Did you read the pdf I linked?
Whether one patron "wigged and dimed" wasn't the problem LE response to the call was the problem. And, that is a court case where the LE was stated to have NOT been needed for lawful activity.
I would hazard a guess that future calls like that will not generate the response you worry about.
Now, where are the cases of OCers getting shot?
I believe Mr St John is a member of this forum, so I should perhaps let him be his own mouthpiece as to what actually happened, but I can remember browsing some discussion, and the details about his incident in a topix forum.
Yes, I have read this case before.
The officer was clearly either not at all knowledgeable, or not at all interested, or caring about open carry laws in the state of NM, as in footnote #4, he seems to clearly state in his deposition that he was not at all comfortable with Mr St John being armed, and never swayed from that belief. And I believe it was more the latter, that this insecure police officer seemed to believe he had his own rights of his own personal safety being violated, and then thought he automatically had his ass covered, as many police officers do, that you are not going to win favor with a judge in any court of law, that the judge will of course take the officer's side, against yours.
There's no doubt about it, that Mr St John's case was a clear cut and dry case, of a law abiding citizen having their rights violated, and I am, and always will be happy that true justice prevailed in his case against the city of alamogordo. He was fortunate, that there were witnesses present, who under oath gave their accounts.
You can best believe that he was accosted, interogated, and searched from the theater, and treated as if he was a Lee Harvey Oswald.
Again, I live here, I know what I sense, and see. While my encounters with local LEO's have been extremely sparse, and not personally problematic, I do work in a Public Service capacity here, and have seen enough of my share in the last 5 years of how LEO's here interact with the public. And IMO, it is scary.
I believe that one statement in footnote #4 was a clear admittance, and certain evidence of their guilt, and their lack of professionalism in respecting a law abiding citizen's constitutional rights.
And when Mr Sam Trujillo, the then police chief of alamogordo commented about this case, there was never an admittance of guilt, or wrong doing by his department, and he never at all ever once mentioned that Alamogordo DPS would then begin to follow proper procedures in the future when encountering law abiding citizens who either legally open, or conceal carry.
And this is what is scary to me. More or less only appeared to be advice to his LEO's to only make sure they cover their asses, and not get themselves into another similar bind, where the city of alamogordo doesn't have to pay out $$$. That only the methods of coercion, and intimidation would be changed, and fine tuned, nothing more. Are you getting the impression that I don't trust local law enforcement? Good, then maybe those folks here that have lashed out against me, will have a little more understanding, and insight for myself, and others like me, law abiding citizens who live here.
Alamogordo Police are almost akin to a homeless bum on a street corner, with a cup, and a sign in their hands, in that they so badly want to put their hands into your pockets, and take every red cent you have.
It is because Alamogordo is such a broke ass town, that there's probably a ordinance code violation for sneezing in public, that's how absurd it has become here.
That they'll literally turn a burnt out tail light incident into a supreme court case by the time they get through with you. Beleive it!
I don't believe I made any specific reference to law abiding citizens carrying guns being shot in the state of NM. But I know of such happening in other states. Sorry I wasn't clearer with my comments.
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