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deadlifter said:Maybe a reference to the numerous sheriffs, and DA's in WI who agree with CC as opposed to the ones like in Milwaukee and Madison who oppose it?
Yeah, what he said.protias said:The sheriffs agree with it, the police chiefs do not.
LOL!shernandez said:I had been wondering whether all permits held the same legal weight (for lack of a better phrase) from state to state.
LOL!
We keep working toward that, but it's a ways off.
It'd be nice if my right to self-protection were recognized in all states & territories just like my right to worship (or speak, or remain silent when questioned by police, or have a jury trial, or any other right) is.
Or heck, even if carry permits were recognized like driving permits & rules of the road.
Imagine if, when driving from WI to IN, the driving rules changed every time you crossed a state boundry. (Or worse, a county or city boundry! )
In WI, you can only drive forward & on the right side of the road, & you have to be 18 to get a license, after showing proof that your parents think you're an OK driver.
In IL, you must drive backward on the right side of the road & you have to be 50 to get a license (good for 1 year), after passing the same driving test required of Secret Service agents.
And in IN, you must drive forward but on the left side of the road. You can get a license at 16, & it's good for life.
That's kind of how screwed-up gun-related laws are.
That would be it.This?
The sheriffs agree with it, the police chiefs do not.
Hello Samantha,
If I may, here is a quick course:
A quick trip to www.handgunlaw.us will give you a good picture of which states are "may issue" (mostly political issue or insanely difficult requirements) and "shall issue" (must issue to any qualified citizen), which states only honor "home state" permits (CO, MI, SC, NH, ME, FL) and a state by state accounting of whose permits each state honors and which states honor that state's permit and whether or not a given state honors non-resident permits. This site will also let you compile a list of states that only issue to residents (example; WI, MN, CO, etc.) You will also learn what each state requires for a permit. I have found this to be a very good source as the webmasters provide links to the permit issuing authority in each State.
The UT, MN, FL, and AZ permits are the most widely accepted, and thus most popular, but MN does not issue to non-residents. UT, FL, and AZ will issue to non-residents and permits can be applied for by mail. FL and AZ require formal firearms training including range time. UT requires firearms familiarity using real firearms and dummy ammunition, but no range qualification. The UT permit is probably the easiest to get and cheapest to renew ($15). A google search will take you to a New York Times article about a PA citizen with a PA permit who also got a UT permit to expand his ability to carry while traveling. The UT permit is often described as the most desired by non-residents (or at least the most desired by the man interviewed by the New York Times).
There are two "right denied" states; Wisconsin and Illinois. VT does not issue permits, but any citizen of any state can carry concealed in VT. There are 10 "may issue" states. Thus, there are 37 "shall issue" states + VT. On November 1, 2011, Wisconsin will join the ranks of "shall issue" states, leaving Illinois the only remaining "right denied" state. Please note that Alabama is "may issue" but most counties behave as "shall issue". Thus, on November 1, 2011, there will effectively be 1 right denied state, 9 true may issue states, and 39 shall issue states (if you count AL in the "shall issue" category) + VT which does not issue or require permits to carry a concealed firearm. The States of Vermont, Alaska, and Arizona do not require a concealed firearm permit for any citizen of any state to carry a concealed firearm. Wyoming will allow residents of Wyoming to carry a concealed firearm without a permit, but non-residents must have a permit that is honored by Wyoming. (Many such non-residents choose the UT permit.)
I hope this information is useful to you. (And thanks for the compliment with respect to the "Yellow Cat With The M-4".)
Thanks!A couple of small things to add to that info. First, Connecticut is considered to be similar to Alabama with their may issue law (if I understand it right, if the local issuing officer denies it, then you can appeal it to a court who MUST issue it unless there's good cause for denial; it adds red tape, but it still acts mostly as a shall issue state). Rhode Island is both a shall issue state and a may issue state. Permits issued by local sheriffs (or RI's equivalent) are shall issue and for only concealed carry. Permits issued by the attorney general are may issue and are good for both open and concealed carry. Unfortunately, the local sheriffs tend to get around the "shall issue" part by simply refusing to accept applications and directing people to apply to the AG. As a result, RI is exactly the opposite of AL and CT; it is a shall issue state that operates as a may issue state.
Second, the part about Vermont, Alaska, Arizona, and Wyoming not requiring a permit for concealed carry (in WY, non-residents still need one) is correct. However, there is one small thing to note. Those in the age 18-20 group can carry concealed or open in Vermont, but must carry openly and cannot carry concealed in AK, AZ, or WY. Speaking of this, the "age 18-20" gun law oddities might be another thing you could talk about in your story. Those in this age group cannot purchase a handgun from an FFL (i.e., a licensed gun dealer), but can purchase one from a private seller or receive on as a gift as long as the state law doesn't prohibit it. They also cannot purchase "handgun ammunition" from licensed sellers, even though many ammunition types (.22 LR, 9mm, etc.) are used in both handguns and long guns (for that matter, many ammunition sellers will simply ask "is this for a handgun or a long gun?", without doing anything to verify it). Also, nearly all states will not give a concealed carry permit to those age 18-20. If I remember correctly, there are only six who will give them unconditionally to those age 18-20: Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Indiana, New Hampshire, and Maine (plus Vermont, which again doesn't issue permits and doesn't require them either). A few more will issue them to those 18-20 under certain circumstances (e.g., Texas will issue them to members of the military, Iowa will issue them to those who use guns as part of their job, and Colorado will issue them on a may issue basis if the person can demonstrate a need).
Hope that added info helps. Good luck on your story.
After reading your post opusd2, it reminded me of the ruling that the supreme court made saying LEO's do not have a constitutional duty to protect you from harm. Since no one's mentioned it, I think it would be a very good snippet to put in your article, especially if you're trying to get across what concealed carry is all about. Here's an article from the New York Times explaining more details.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html
Thanks everyone. My story comes out tomorrow and there will be others so don't think that I'm ignoring all your advice or anything. I still have lots of information that I gathered to use. I appreciate everyones' help!
Of course! Check Doorcountyadvocate.com in the morning.Will it be available online?
The Article said:Bies, a retired chief deputy sheriff, said he felt additional training was necessary based on the training he received as a deputy over the years. He said none of the other states require training and that he hasn't seen evidence from any states where lack of training has created any issues.
Bies is working on a bill that, if passed, would add further training to the concealed-carry law.
The county will not be significantly impacted if it decides to not allow unauthorized civilians (other than security guards, law enforcement) to carry in certain facilities, Thomas said.
According to the law, unauthorized civilians are also banned from carrying in state parks and state fish hatcheries unless the firearm is unloaded and in a carrying case..