Isn't that what the 2nd Amendment is? Being the supreme law of the land we have the RIGHT to BEAR arms and that is a law that over powers the states gun laws. (unfortunately it isn't enforced)
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The National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act Of 2011
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Isn't that what the 2nd Amendment is? Being the supreme law of the land we have the RIGHT to BEAR arms and that is a law that over powers the states gun laws. (unfortunately it isn't enforced)
Gunslinger
Regular Member
Couldn't disagree more. Expansion of rights, albeit the privileged portion thereof, is a giant step forward and in keeping with the P&I clause of the Constitution. We don't need federal drivers' licenses or Federal CCWs. We need recognition of a state's granting a privilege which should be honored by sister states. Maybe something will happen down the road as you suggest. Facts not in evidence, and I'll take a win today and not worry about what next decade brings.
Gunslinger
Regular Member
No it won't. There is no record keeping involved of CCWs at any level in this bill.
Maine CWP Training
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Hearing Scheduled for H.R. 822, the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011
Friday, September 09, 2011
For months we have been reporting on a critically important bill: H.R. 822—the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011. This vital NRA-backed legislation, introduced earlier this year by Congressmen Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) and Heath Shuler (D-N.C.) will enable millions of permit holders to exercise their right to self-defense while traveling outside their home states.
Thanks to much hard work and action taken by NRA and our members, H.R. 822 has now garnered 242 cosponsors in the U.S. House. On Tuesday, September 13, the House Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security will hold a hearing on the bill.
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Friday, September 09, 2011
For months we have been reporting on a critically important bill: H.R. 822—the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011. This vital NRA-backed legislation, introduced earlier this year by Congressmen Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) and Heath Shuler (D-N.C.) will enable millions of permit holders to exercise their right to self-defense while traveling outside their home states.
Thanks to much hard work and action taken by NRA and our members, H.R. 822 has now garnered 242 cosponsors in the U.S. House. On Tuesday, September 13, the House Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security will hold a hearing on the bill.
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Maine CWP Training
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Jared
Regular Member
This statement is laughable. Name me one place on the planet where it was easy to carry gun legally and then the government suddenly turned around and knew who to go after?
Your statement is utter nonsense.
Australia, the U.K. (except Northern Ireland), Jamaica, and other places that disarmed most people already had strict licensing to possess laws, strict storage laws, strict purchasing laws etc.
I can find no evidence ANYWHERE that some place went from the gun laws of New Hampshire to North Korea overnight.
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OC4me
Regular Member
National Reciprocity does not violate the 10th Amendment, at least not since the 14th Amendment was passed which gave Congress the authority to enforce the Bill of Rights. Having said that, I would just love a serious 10th Amendment argument to be made (by the liberal progressives). Here is what I hope happens:
1) National Reciprocity passes (over Obama's veto)!
2) The elite statist anti-freedom anti-gunners are in a pickle. They are forced to challenge National Reciprocity in court and make a - you guessed it - 10th Amendment State's Rights legal argument (oh my the wonderful irony).
3) The panty-wetting anti-gunners succeed, National Reciprocity is declared unconstitutional as it violates the 10th Amendment and the 10th Amendment, long dormant and ignored, now has established legal precedent.
4) Meanwhile, over the several years that National Reciprocity is in place, the fears of the anti-gun bigots are proved wrong (once again) and there is ample evidence that concealed carry in New Jersey, New York City, Chicago, etc. does not present a problem. Citizens of these states demand their Second Amendment Rights and all is well in the end!
Just my .02 cents!
1) National Reciprocity passes (over Obama's veto)!
2) The elite statist anti-freedom anti-gunners are in a pickle. They are forced to challenge National Reciprocity in court and make a - you guessed it - 10th Amendment State's Rights legal argument (oh my the wonderful irony).
3) The panty-wetting anti-gunners succeed, National Reciprocity is declared unconstitutional as it violates the 10th Amendment and the 10th Amendment, long dormant and ignored, now has established legal precedent.
4) Meanwhile, over the several years that National Reciprocity is in place, the fears of the anti-gun bigots are proved wrong (once again) and there is ample evidence that concealed carry in New Jersey, New York City, Chicago, etc. does not present a problem. Citizens of these states demand their Second Amendment Rights and all is well in the end!
Just my .02 cents!
Maine CWP Training
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House Crime Subcommittee Holds Hearing on National Right-to-Carry Bill
Friday, September 16, 2011
On Tuesday, Sept. 13, the U.S. House Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security held a hearing on H.R. 822, the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011.
The bill, introduced earlier this year by Congressmen Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) and Heath Shuler (D-N.C.) and cosponsored by more than 240 of their colleagues, would enable millions of permit holders to exercise their right to self-defense while traveling outside their home states.
Subcommittee Chairman Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) opened the hearing by saying the legislation is needed because state laws on right to carry reciprocity are "confusing, vary widely and can subject otherwise law-abiding citizens to frivolous prosecution." He also argued that permit holders' fundamental Second Amendment rights were at stake, noting that "this legislation recognizes that the right to bear arms does not stop at the state line."
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Friday, September 16, 2011
On Tuesday, Sept. 13, the U.S. House Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security held a hearing on H.R. 822, the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011.
The bill, introduced earlier this year by Congressmen Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) and Heath Shuler (D-N.C.) and cosponsored by more than 240 of their colleagues, would enable millions of permit holders to exercise their right to self-defense while traveling outside their home states.
Subcommittee Chairman Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) opened the hearing by saying the legislation is needed because state laws on right to carry reciprocity are "confusing, vary widely and can subject otherwise law-abiding citizens to frivolous prosecution." He also argued that permit holders' fundamental Second Amendment rights were at stake, noting that "this legislation recognizes that the right to bear arms does not stop at the state line."
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Update
The White House plans to respond to the petition when it crosses the 5,000 signature threshold at http://wh.gov/g82
The White House plans to respond to the petition when it crosses the 5,000 signature threshold at http://wh.gov/g82
shanebelanger
Accomplished Advocate
Howdy,
I know, other member already did just below from your topic. I posted here for a reminder and it didn't started til 9/22 news for this old topic.
OK:question:
Formal Petition Requirements
I cannot get very exited about such petitions as most do NOT contain the requisite elements:
Must provide valid address
Anyone who signs a petition must also include her current address, including street number, city, state and zip code. Post office boxes do not usually count. The address should also correspond with the address that appears on each individual's voter registration card.
Read more: Rules of Petition Signatures | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_6142562_rules-petition-signatures.html#ixzz1Z0A05fwY
In addition I find it far beyond belief that the "White House" would react in any way favorable even to a genuine/valid petition with a mere 5,000 signers - now maybe 500,000 would get their attention.
I cannot get very exited about such petitions as most do NOT contain the requisite elements:
Must provide valid address
Anyone who signs a petition must also include her current address, including street number, city, state and zip code. Post office boxes do not usually count. The address should also correspond with the address that appears on each individual's voter registration card.
Read more: Rules of Petition Signatures | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_6142562_rules-petition-signatures.html#ixzz1Z0A05fwY
In addition I find it far beyond belief that the "White House" would react in any way favorable even to a genuine/valid petition with a mere 5,000 signers - now maybe 500,000 would get their attention.
rhenriksen
Regular Member
I agree with grapeshot's skepticism, and it gives me the creeps to register myself at the current administration's whitehouse.gov website. Nonetheless, I tried. Filled out the registration form, waited for the confirmation email, clicked the included link, and got this webpage in response:
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Our Apologies
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We appreciate your patience while we make some improvements
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KBCraig
Regular Member
I wouldn't expect the White House to be favorable; the goal of getting signatures is to get a lot, so that the number can be used to persuade others, who aren't in the White House.
shanebelanger
Accomplished Advocate
huh... very interesting
Maine CWP Training
Regular Member
I received the same message initially but it up and running a while back. Poorly administered site.
xd shooter
Regular Member
I don't think anyone is saying that this will happen tomorrow, before 8 AM. The loss of our gun rights has been happening over time, slowly, so slowly that some people have completely missed it.
Registration of ALL guns won't turn into confiscation the next day...but eventually it can and WILL unless we are ever vigilant and stop it before it gets to that point. But why wait? Stop registration NOW, then we don't have to worry about it POSSIBLY turning in to confiscation later.
Maine CWP Training
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National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act Scheduled for House Floor on Tuesday— Contact Your U.S. Representative Immediately!
Thursday, November 10, 2011
H.R. 822—the “National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011” is scheduled for a vote on the U.S. House floor this Tuesday, November 15. We’ve told you the truth about why the legislation is very good for gun owners and now it is imperative that you contact your U.S. Representative IMMEDIATELY and urge him or her to vote for H.R. 822 WITH NO AMENDMENTS.
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Thursday, November 10, 2011
H.R. 822—the “National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011” is scheduled for a vote on the U.S. House floor this Tuesday, November 15. We’ve told you the truth about why the legislation is very good for gun owners and now it is imperative that you contact your U.S. Representative IMMEDIATELY and urge him or her to vote for H.R. 822 WITH NO AMENDMENTS.
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Status of H.R. 822? Can find no update other than the NRA.
http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/bills/112/hr822
MilProGuy
Regular Member
I certainly agree that it's a good start.
It could definitely clear up some of the problems that could arise when legally carrying from state to state.