ProShooter
Regular Member
You only need one shot to stop the bad guy. Make it count.
You only need one shot to stop the bad guy. Make it count.
Proshooter, you of all people should know that under stress police miss 50-80% of the time. When they do hit it isn't usually a one shot stop.
I have been told by my retired-police CHP instructor where he personally knew of a meth-head getting shot 47 times where the 47th bullet severed his spinal chord and finally ended the ordeal.
I read online and saw video (reenactment) of a police officer hitting a man 22 times (equal or more misses) before he stopped. This individual was not on drugs or alcohol.
So yes an encounter may end with no shots fired, one shot, or multiple. I have to plan for the multiple option.
T33J did a spreadsheet on the ODU crimes and how many assailants there were on average. I think 2-6 were the common so at least put a few more than one bullet in your gun!!!
I got to thinking, "I wonder if I carry more ammo than the other OC/CC people." I carry 5 mags, 2 of them in my left pocket, 2 in a mag holder, and 1 in the glock. Total of 75 rounds. I just don't want to be the sorry bastard to run out of ammo, in any situation.
How do I compare with others?
Just wondering
There are a couple of things to consider.
First and most important, the reports of unstoppable BG's are very....VERY, isolated. I'm talking about real verified reports.
One day a group of County Deputies from several areas and Marine Resource Police and I were discussing how to waste time on a pretty day, and the subject came up. Most agreed that many of the reports never really happened and the ones that had, were the result of poor shooting.
Next is that most Cops take longer shots than a civilian can get away with. As mentioned above, far too many LEO's couldn't hit their butts with both hands.
The 2-6 assailants are reasonable. The encounters I've had involved one group of three and the other a single person.
Last is the caliber used. LEO administration loves Girlie Guns, 38 Spl, 9mm, .40.
The Military went to the 38 for a very short time. Repeated reports of the enemy hacking up our boys got the 45ACP back up and running....until the service lost it's mind again and adopted the 9mm.
There are a couple of things to consider.
First and most important, the reports of unstoppable BG's are very....VERY, isolated. I'm talking about real verified reports.
One day a group of County Deputies from several areas and Marine Resource Police and I were discussing how to waste time on a pretty day, and the subject came up. Most agreed that many of the reports never really happened and the ones that had, were the result of poor shooting. Next is that most Cops take longer shots than a civilian can get away with. As mentioned above, far too many LEO's couldn't hit their butts with both hands.
The 2-6 assailants are reasonable. The encounters I've had involved one group of three and the other a single person..
Last is the caliber used. LEO administration loves Girlie Guns, 38 Spl, 9mm, .40.
The Military went to the 38 for a very short time. Repeated reports of the enemy hacking up our boys got the 45ACP back up and running....until the service lost it's mind again and adopted the 9mm.
I am a bit surprised that LEO can be such poor shooters since many were ex-military. I consider myself an average pistol shooter and have been coming in the middle of the pack in the competitions I have been running. So realistically I think if both me and the bad guy are moving around trying to not get shot and looking for cover, missing 50% of the time seems very reasonable even for a good shot.
You, Proshooter, ODA, Etc, like to shoot and pride yourselves in your proficiency. A lot of the new breed of LEO's don't like guns or shooting and pride themselves more in their new Blackberry.
50% is a high percentage considering the fact that in order to justify a shooting, your distance will be more like ten or twelve feet...or less.
I also agree hence my username.
I would be embarrassed to stand next to someone with that much ammo. I open-carried my SP101 .357 3" tonight. Five in the cylinder and five in a speed loader. Ten total. As someone with a lot of experience looking at bullet wounds I feel comfortable that if I landed one .357 It would do just fine . Doesn't matter where I land it a .357 is a sick round that leaves a nasty wound cavity. You guys ever stop to think that you look ridiculous?
I still like 1911's So maybe 17...... Maybe.
I tell people that they should generally assume three attackers when they're out and about. Most times, it's only one or two, and four or more is infrequent and more closely associated with gang-retribution shootings.
+18+1 in the .45 and two additional 8 round mags on the belt.
Proshooter, you of all people should know that under stress police miss 50-80% of the time. When they do hit it isn't usually a one shot stop.
I sat in the back of the room and one Deputy was assigned to watch me. He stood literally 2 feet away. In my seat, I was about 10-12 yards from the judge. The other sergeant caused a ruckus and got everyone's attention...and that was my chance. I drew my pistol from my seat and took one shot...and hit the judge in the throat with a 9mm sim round. Again, I was 10-12 yards away. He immediately fell off the bench and went down while I got blasted with about 12 9mm sim shots at close range. Now that is when I shot all the time and regularly qualified.