Juror refused right to be a jury over asking about lock box

[Dave_pro2a]

DUI is a bogus law instituted as a means to generate revenue for the state. If the state gave a rat's azz about folks being killed by drunk drivers cops would be camped out at every bar in their jurisdiction.

But, thanks for the statist view.

And they'd require seatbelts to be used on public transportation.

But, they don't care. It's about money, and eroding freedom via slowly turning up the heat so most people don't notice.

Like porno scanners at airports. They don't make us safer, they just train the next generation to become comfortable with....

 

[Dave_pro2a]

I might be inclined to agree on most, except DUI. Everyone is the victim when someone drives drunk. If you don't punish someone for driving drunk they'll keep doing it until they kill someone. Sometimes they will anyway. But at least we deter a few...

You should check the average recidivism rate for criminals.

The modern legal system isn't about deterring future actions, and it sure isn't about rehabilitation. It's about profit and control.

 

[Dave_pro2a]

I used to drink at a motel bar in St. Marys, Georgia. We KNEW that the deputy was going to be out on the county road with a bag of balloons. Fortunately I roomed there.

Fundamental: a person who rejects the authority the state to meter out punishment for a specific offense does not necessarily endorse the actual behavior in question.

Drunk driving is a monumentally dumb idea.

The state arresting people for victimless crimes is also a monumentally dumb idea.

 

[Stretch]

Mind if we keep this thing on topic about the issue?

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[Dave_pro2a]

Mind if we keep this thing on topic about the issue?

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Which is Jury duty, and the legal system. Right?

 

[davidmcbeth]

Which is Jury duty, and the legal system. Right?

The question becomes: can one be excluded from jury duty just for owning a gun?

One cannot be denied just for being a certain color or religion, right?

Its a civil rights question.

 

[MAC702]

As a juror, I can judge that 'regulation' as well as the facts of the case.

DUI w/o injury or damage = no conviction

I didn't say you couldn't do it. I said it's "not exactly" the same as an issue related to the RKBA.

 

[BigDave]

I can guarantee that even if they summon him back for jury duty no prosecutor in their right mind would let him actually serve on a jury....

I think this goon was a corrections officer, not an actual police officer...... But still he should pursue a civil case at least. Just go have the county prosecutor served with the complain they probably won't settle fast enough.....

No prosecutor in his right mind? Let him serve on a jury? Really! I here I thought all along it was a duty to serve on a jury and refusing to could land you in legal jeopardy, but being refused access to report to the court would be interfering with a court order.
By all means move ahead through the legislative authority (county commissioners) and civil court for being denied access.

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[hahah]

I don't see where anyone has a "RIGHT" to be a juror. There is a process.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I demand that you provide any evidence whatsoever to support this claim.

How about Mark Mullan, the electrician who kept getting deferred DUI prosecution deals, 4 times in a row with no real jail time until he finally killed someone driving drunk in Shoreline in the middle of the day...

 

[EMNofSeattle]

No prosecutor in his right mind? Let him serve on a jury? Really! I here I thought all along it was a duty to serve on a jury and refusing to could land you in legal jeopardy, but being refused access to report to the court would be interfering with a court order.
By all means move ahead through the legislative authority (county commissioners) and civil court for being denied access.

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Don't prosecutors have peremptory challenges? I can imagine prosecutors would use one on someone with authority issues very quickly...... I personally think that peremptory challenges should be outlawed, and all challenges should be for cause, but that's the system as it stands today....

Corrections officers as I understand it have very limited authority, they weren't even allowed to carry concealed off duty on their creds until a few years ago.

 

[Baked on Grease]

You should check the average recidivism rate for criminals.

The modern legal system isn't about deterring future actions, and it sure isn't about rehabilitation. It's about profit and control.

Your picture is more correct than most know, sadly. The 13th Amendment did not abolish slavery, it merely prohibits the regular citizen from owning slaves while still allowing the gov't to own them.

Every convict is a slave, and recent reports from many southern states (private prison states to boot) show they are taking full advantage of this fact.

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[()pen(arry]

How about Mark Mullan, the electrician who kept getting deferred DUI prosecution deals, 4 times in a row with no real jail time until he finally killed someone driving drunk in Shoreline in the middle of the day...

That is in no way, shape, or form evidence of your claim. You said:

If you don't punish someone for driving drunk they'll keep doing it until they kill someone.

You have related an occurrence of a phenomenon. You have not provided a shred of support for your claim that that phenomenon is prescriptive, much less inevitable.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

That is in no way, shape, or form evidence of your claim. You said:


You have related an occurrence of a phenomenon. You have not provided a shred of support for your claim that that phenomenon is prescriptive, much less inevitable.

Well that's just fine, you can't argue your theoretical right to get hammered and go out to your car, I'll bet if that was your parents/grandparents that got killed you'd have a slightly different opinion on the subject.

When we instituted stricter anti DUI laws and stopped treating it as a joke, deaths declined, from 26000 DUI deaths in 1982 to 9600 in 2011. Extrapolated, that's over 200,000 lives saved by strict DUI laws.

And two lives would've been saved if Mullan was sentenced to 5 years in prison for his 5 th DUI as state law allows for....

 

[()pen(arry]

Well that's just fine, you can't argue your theoretical right to get hammered and go out to your car, I'll bet if that was your parents/grandparents that got killed you'd have a slightly different opinion on the subject.

I should hope not, because then my opinions would be governed by emotion, rather than reason and principle. What a sorry bastard I'd be!

When we instituted stricter anti DUI laws and stopped treating it as a joke, deaths declined, from 26000 DUI deaths in 1982 to 9600 in 2011. Extrapolated, that's over 200,000 lives saved by strict DUI laws.

If we outlawed cars, there would be a lot fewer traffic fatalities.

And two lives would've been saved if Mullan was sentenced to 5 years in prison for his 5 th DUI as state law allows for....

Incompetence in the legal system has nothing whatever to do with this topic.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I should hope not, because then my opinions would be governed by emotion, rather than reason and principle. What a sorry bastard I'd be!



If we outlawed cars, there would be a lot fewer traffic fatalities.



Incompetence in the legal system has nothing whatever to do with this topic.

See this is the dumbest logic ever. You're apparently insinuating that because we allow people to own cars we should allow them to be irresponsible with them. Cars on the whole benefit society. Drunk driving does not. NEXT.....

 

[()pen(arry]

See this is the dumbest logic ever. You're apparently insinuating that because we allow people to own cars we should allow them to be irresponsible with them. Cars on the whole benefit society. Drunk driving does not. NEXT.....

I do not exist to benefit society, nor am I beholden to do so. I exist to pursue my own interests, and those interests of others that I freely choose to pursue. I have never given you license to determine what benefits my interests. Until I actually infringe your liberty, kindly keep your interests to yourself.

Moral reprehensibility is never grounds for revocation of liberty.

 

[hahah]

DUI is a bogus law instituted as a means to generate revenue for the state. If the state gave a rat's azz about folks being killed by drunk drivers cops would be camped out at every bar in their jurisdiction.

But, thanks for the statist view.

Actually camping out at a bar is frowned upon.

 

[Dave_pro2a]

When we instituted stricter anti DUI laws and stopped treating it as a joke, deaths declined, from 26000 DUI deaths in 1982 to 9600 in 2011. Extrapolated, that's over 200,000 lives saved by strict DUI laws.

Classic example of why public school has failed America.

During the 32 years between 1982 and 2011 safety standards for motor vehicles were increased. Many states increased their drinking age, and wide spread anti-DUI educational campaigns were implemented. Oh, and a lot of states passed seat belt laws.

But all the above couldn't have possible contributed to the decline in DUI deaths, huh?

Plus to be fair you should remove all deaths from accidents where all parties were drunk. "Zero sum' lol

 

[Dave_pro2a]

we should allow them to be irresponsible with them.

::facepalm::

You don't understand your own Country.