OK, Steve. That's fine. So if I go to Colorado, I can have a loaded firearm in the vehicle. Of course, I cannot carry concealed in the State of Colorado. But what if I want to get out of the car and
carry openly when I visit our son in the City and County of Denver? What if I want to
carry openly when I take my grandchildren to one of their nearby parks in the City of Englewood?
Here's a hint: It wouldn't happen to you if you were carrying openly in the State of Ohio because our preemption statute covers more than just motor vehicles.
Oh that's a f***ing crock too, particularly Denver, since our state constitution should scotch their ******** by any reasonable reading. However we had judges reading it, so a reasonable reading was not in the cards. Anyhow I certainly don't deny the situation you are describing is
also a f***ing crock. But then I wasn't trying to compare our two states with the goal of claiming yours sucks worse than mine, I was simply pointing out something that does suck.
But since
you for some reason seem to want to turn this into a "your state sucks so mine doesn't" contest (and you've done this before in another conversation we had in the past, if I recall correctly), here goes.
You claim your preemption statute is more wonderful than ours because it covers "more than just motor vehicles." That's kind of hard to assess, actually. If it covered motor vehicles PLUS some other things, then we know it covers more. But it doesn't cover motor vehicles AT ALL. Well yes it (or rather some other part of ORC) does. It positively FORBIDS carry in a motor vehicle and FORBIDS having a loaded firearm in a vehicle even in a container out of reach of anyone in the vehicle. (Unless of course you have an Ohio-recognized permit.) Pre-emption is a wonderful thing when it *prevents* someone from passing a restriction. Of course our legal system tends to presume pre-emption in the opposite direction--if the state government says "oh no you don't," generally lower governments can't say "yes, go right on ahead."
The reason I find this car thing particularly irksome is it would mess with me no matter where I went in Ohio. Here in Colorado, I can avoid parks. I can avoid government buildings. And I at least can certainly avoid the city and cesspit of Denver--though it sucks that you cannot when you come here. (Of course I can cover here should I need to go to any of these places, but that's beside the point.)
But it's pretty damn hard to avoid cars in either state. With "no carry in cars" AND "no loaded guns in cars" I have to handle my firearm repeatedly, quite possibly in plain view depending on circumstances, not just picking it up but manipulating it, introducing greater risk of an accident. There is a
reason ranges want you to point a gun down range while loading it.
There is also the risk of someone seeing me do all this, and deciding to make a scene. I quite frankly don't need the hassle of dealing with someone who freaked out because I was handling a gun
unnecessarily (except in the eyes of whatever idiot wrote this law), even if the cops do the right thing and blow off the complainer.
[Even though the trunk method is not required (as I thought it was until corrected), it at least has the virtue of giving you a way to do a lot of this rigamarole out of sight--at the cost of leaving you unarmed for extra time.]
And all of that is for utterly no reason other than a glaring inconsistency in your open carry state-wide statutes. One needs a
concealed carry permit to do some forms of
open carry. I can't get away from it except to avoid the entire state.
As I've pointed out before, all that needs to be done to fix this for the both of us is for Ohio to recognize the Colorado permit. That would actually fix BOTH of our problems as Colorado would then automatically recognize the Ohio one. Colorado is a lot more generous than Ohio in that regard. Yeah, neither of us would necessarily be OPEN carrying all the time, but we'd be carrying and that's at least 90 percent as good.
As I said before, I wasn't trying to make this a "Ohio sucks worse than Colorado because..." but you seemed to think that a valid response to my complaint was "nyah nyah well Colorado does...." You have my sympathies about what Colorado does. (We had a wrongly-decided lawsuit by someone from Washington State who was in your situation with respect to Denver.) But your complaint in no way
actually devalues mine (and mine does not devalue yours), though you seem to think it does.