Academy Sport - Negative Encounter

[Gumbo]

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You would compare the powers of observation ofa friendly stranger or a friend with someone content on committing robbery and murder? No, no one has the right to be offended or have their feelings hurt. You're missing the essence of my argument. It's not about what rights you have or they don't have. It's pubic opinion. This is a nation of the people and ifa majoritythe people decide they don't want you carrying AT ALL, then they would get legislation passed to that effect. The fact that you would call a CCW holder a coward is asinine. What's cowardly about hiding the fact that I'm armed if the benefits of open carry in the context of deterrence are negligible. If I'm going to stab someone, I'm going to walk up behind them calmly with the knife behind my back, not running wildly towards them, knife in plain sight giving them time to react. Try thinking before you speak, maybe so much machismo wouldn't slip out.

 

[mark edward marchiafava]

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I don't mean to be condescending, but how old ARE you?
Public opinion? LOL, I couldn't care less about public opinion.
"OH, but THEY might vote away my rights !!!" Again, LOL, rights cannot be "voted away." Personally, I look forward to the day when they try to do that. On that day, there will no longer be any pretense of the rule of law, it'll be right vs wrong.

Not if, but when the Great Day of Reckoning occurs, which side will YOU be on?

MOST CCW permit holders don't want / refuse to face the obstacles associated with OC'ing, and that's a fact. Again, I wish I had a dollar for every CCW permit holder who was honest enough to admit that. It is for THAT reason I use the word "coward." You have a better one?

NO form of carry will totally prevent your hypothetical assailant, not even your overly rated concealed carry.

 

[JohnL]

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Gumbo wrote:

And you are in fact directly affecting the general public when you open carry. If someone sees you open carrying in a store and they have a serious aversion to firearms, lets say from some traumatic childhood experience, and decide not to enter, how is that not directly affecting somebody? Is your open carrying of a firearm not infringing on their right to be in a public place the same as you, rational fear or not?

Just for the sake of argument, let's grant your point.

Where do you draw the line at behavior that could directly affect someone who had a traumatic experience? If you walk into a store wearing a pair of pointed cowboy boots and a woman has a negative reaction to seeing them because you look like her ex-husband who kicked the hell out of her one night and put her in the hospital, are you going to leave the store? Change your shoes?

It's an absurd argument to make that we should not open carry because some people may have a negative reaction. Do these same people go into apoplexy upon seeing LEO carry? Some people should just stay inside the house with the shades pulled down.

And I didn't even bring up the obvious: what about my rights? Don't they count for something?


Gumbo wrote:

If there was no alternative to open carrying, I'd have to agree with you, but since you can CCW and obtain the permit to do so fairly easily, it's something you should consider looking into. Besides, if I plan on robbing a bank/merchant and have no qualms about killing people, who do you think I'm gonna walk up behind and shoot point blank in the head before anyone knows what's going on? The guy open carrying or the guy who's got his firearm concealed?

Rather than answer this, I'll simply point you to a slam-dunk response I couldn't possibly improve upon. Tubby45 originally posted this to DefensiveCarry.com and Snake Eater reposted it here:
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=22696&forum_id=6&jump_to=401374#p401374

For the record, this board is called "Open Carry." Although I am relatively new here myself (having been a lurker for quite a while), I welcome you to the board.

 

[Dustin]

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Gumbo wrote:

It's not about what rights you have or they don't have. It's pubic opinion. This is a nation of the people and ifa majoritythe people decide they don't want you carrying AT ALL, then they would get legislation passed to that effect.

I too would make reference to your age being young.

When's the last time anyone really thought that their vote really counted ?

I'd say that people haven't had much say about their own country since Andrew Jackson pretty much formed the Northern Democratic party.

Doesn't matter though because;

One hundred years before the Declaration of Independence was written, William Penn anticipated the foregoing conclusions of the Founding Fathers when he said that the people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.

Click here for full article = http://www.fff.org/freedom/0501f.asp

Lord help us ...

 

[Gumbo]

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Dustin wrote:

I too would make reference to your age being young.

When's the last time anyone really thought that their vote really counted ?

I'd say that people haven't had much say about their own country since Andrew Jackson pretty much formed the Northern Democratic party.

Don't confuse my words with passionate rhetoric. I'm a realist, I know how public opinion is shaped. Do you? Obama could be a ******* case study on how to manipulate public opinion into supporting him. I can't find the link, but surely you've heard his comments about how the constitution was written by a bunch of crusty old men and is no longer relevant. He didn't come out and say it, but we all know which amendment he was specificaly referring to.

You can bury your head in the sand and think this nation is gonna keep on keeping on because thats the way its been or you can look at history and see how easily a nation can veer off course. Hitler managed to convince an entire nation of people that they needed to go ahead and drive themselves off of the crazy cliff and it only took him 6 years.

You think one man doesn't count anymore? You think one news story with a picture ofone of youwalking around the mall with a piece strapped to your side couldn't galvanize people's fear? The Democratic spin doctors have half the nation believing Rush Limbaugh is the head of the Republican Party. How about Joe the Plumber? Maybe he was a plant, maybe he wasn't but it doesnt matter. Either way the outcome is the same. Sure, he didn't change the course of the election, but he gave our president the first chink in his armor.

You call me a coward and then you bring my age into question asthough it's even relevant. Don't forget, Alexander had conquered the known world as he coasted through his 20's. You know when you've got someone beat in an arguement? When they stop arguing the merits of their point and start slinging mud.

 

[mark edward marchiafava]

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No, you're not a realist, but a dreamer. Again, public opinion doesn't matter one bit, at least not here. Look in the Yellow Pages under W for "who gives a flip."

NO, I don't think this country is gonna keep on keeping on, quite the contrary. Things are about to come to a head, a crossroads. AGAIN, when that Great Day of Reckoning, who's side are you going to be on? The side of those who want their freedoms and liberties restored, or the side of those hellbent on preventing that from happening?

AGAIN, I couldn't care less if my exercising my GOD-given rights "galvanizes" anyone. They'll just have to get over it.

Yes, your age IS relevant. If you're another of these 20-something year old kids here, there's still hope you'll learn, unlike most of 'em. Uh, you're no Alexander the Great, I might add.

There's nothing to argue. You are misinformed.

 

[jnmtwo]

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MEM. Hello. I don't have a wagon or a permit. What to do, what to do?

G'bo. Hello. I'll be the old, fat guy with a Glock 17. Beat me, stab me, shoot me... please leave my grandchildren alone.

"You" will have traumatized them enough, but my choice of carry never will.

JohnL. Hello. Good link. Have read it before and will read it again. Thanks.

Dustin. Hello. I voted for Andrew Jackson and he always had great parties.

 

[Dustin]

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Gumbo wrote:
You know when you've got someone beat in an arguement?  When they stop arguing the merits of their point and start slinging mud.
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Maybe you should read that again whilst looking into a mirror.

 

[Bowman26]

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Academy in Baton Rouge has ushered me and my ammo I was buying FROM THEM to the door before. Simple 9mm and bulk .22 and you can't be trusted to get it yourself or take it to the checkout. Now if you wanted .300 Win Mag rounds that seemed fine to them on the shelf and no escort. Nuts.

 

[Gun Mom]

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As far as the 19 year olds are concerned. . .

I think as long as you carry yourself maturely and respectfully (not saying you have to kiss butt) you should be OK. I know there will still be that one person who has to give you hell, but most of the problem with the younger OC'ers seems to be with attitude. As soon as someone asks "are you a cop?" or "do you have a permit?". Just answer yes or no andcarryon. Don't go on the defensive and make threats and cause a scene.

You know you have the right to OC. If they don't, inform them about it in a mature, rational way. By jumping off the deep end, you give all OC'ers a bad name.

 

[Vboyd]

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So do Wal-Mart, Gander Mtn., Bass Pro, and Cabela's. I don't know about Dick's or Big Five; I don't have any experience with them, but I suspect they are the same way.

I read a rather hilarious report one time by a fellow who had to be escorted out of Wal-Mart ("sorry, it's just policy!"), with the manager carrying his new shotgun. Even though he pointed out that he was openly carrying a pistol and several reloads on his belt, their policy required the manager to carry it out and place it in his trunk.

And so they did. In the trunk of his marked police cruiser, while he stood there in full police uniform. :banghead:

I get that, on it's face, that seems sort of ridiculous. But the slippery slope gets slippery really quick when certain people are exempt from rules that everyone else has to follow, right? If the uniformed police officer is exempt from the rule (and, sadly, instead of being committed to setting the example, too many are looking for what they can be exempted from)...should the plain clothes police officer be exempted? How about a constable? Military veteran? Shooting instructor? See where I'm going? These rules are in place for a variety of reasons...not to inconvenience anyone.

 

[KBCraig]

These rules are in place for a variety of reasons...

Just not any good reasons.