Looks like the advent of UOC in California has grown beyond both OCDO and CGDN. This appears to be the first published event that was not coordinated with or at either website.
I think the "hold your horses" crowd over at Calgunsis going to be very frustrated with the prospect of numerous cellular groups like this popping up across the state, either not aware of the moratorium on UOC or not heeding it.
ConditionThree wrote:Looks like the advent of UOC in California has grown beyond both OCDO and CGDN. This appears to be the first published event that was not coordinated with or at either website.
I think the "hold your horses" crowd over at Calgunsis going to be very frustrated with the prospect of numerous cellular groups like this popping up across the state, either not aware of the moratorium on UOC or not heeding it.
A couple of days ago, Iread about PullnShoot asking bigger UOC'er groups and new Lone Wolf UOC'ers to "stand down" until August 31st on CalGuns.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=206151&page=14
But I still have a hard time understanding the whys?
Drop him another email asking for a little love! I would have jumped to join them. I go to that beach and shopping center all the time.Hey! I sent Schwilk the email that learned him about OCDO.
AyatollahGondola wrote:Drop him another email asking for a little love! I would have jumped to join them. I go to that beach and shopping center all the time.Hey! I sent Schwilk the email that learned him about OCDO.
I don't think I agree with that analogy. It indicates that the movement is out of control and hazardous.I sent Gene a pm last week where I agreed that UOC was putting the cart before the horseBUT since that cart was rolling down hill...
I have a serious question... What's with the "Hold Your Horses" Crowd at the other sites? Who are they? Do they have an "agenda" with the end result of UOC'ers being ineffective and not an influence on Public awareness?
I don't believe that holding signs or sitting still are beneficial at all to our rights.
The guys over at CalGuns.net are not holding signs or sitting still.
BINGO!Here is the basic deal with Calguns.
They agree that LOC is most likely, when ruled on, the Constitutional right guaranteed by the Right to Keep and Bear.
The problem is they fear that if we get LOC the state will get rid of CCW.
Theseus wrote:BINGO!Here is the basic deal with Calguns.
They agree that LOC is most likely, when ruled on, the Constitutional right guaranteed by the Right to Keep and Bear.
The problem is they fear that if we get LOC the state will get rid of CCW.
They want their permission slips. If we decriminalize loaded open carry, it takes away some of their ammo in the fight for CCWs.
As is, they can go to court and say, "look, there's no other legal way to exercise my 2A rights due to tons of restrictions on open carry."
THIS is what it all comes down to. They need the anti carry laws in place to get CCW reform. They value a permit - which requires a tax and test - more than the right to carry like a free individual.
Unfortunately, I think that's the general consensus among 'gun rights' advocates. And I don't think there's much we can do about it.