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Citizen
Founder's Club Member
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LEO 229 wrote:
LEO 229 wrote:
What would be some examples of minor indiscretions? No, I won't cut off the sports car or pool if I don't like the answer.
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
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LEO 229 wrote:
LEO 229 wrote:
OK.
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
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LEO 229 wrote:
LEO 229 wrote:
Sure. By the way, were you planning anything special for us this weekend? Or were just planning to drink my special reserve stock by yourself?
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
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LEO 229 wrote:
After your earlier comments about money and walking, I'm beginning to think you might be asking so you can plansharing my wine with someone else in the event I do have to work this weekend.
LEO 229 wrote:
After your earlier comments about money and walking, I'm beginning to think you might be asking so you can plansharing my wine with someone else in the event I do have to work this weekend.
openryan
State Researcher
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LEO229, have you seen Reno 911 Miami yet?
I rented it today going to watch it now.
LEO229, have you seen Reno 911 Miami yet?
I rented it today going to watch it now.
HankT
State Researcher
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Here's a new one for you, LEO 229, a non-controversial one.
From your experience and broad knowledge do LEOs always use Level 2 or Level 3 retention holsters on uniformed duty?
Here's a new one for you, LEO 229, a non-controversial one.
From your experience and broad knowledge do LEOs always use Level 2 or Level 3 retention holsters on uniformed duty?
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Each department has a different holster.
My department has switched three times in 15 years. Many are going to Level 2 and I have seen very few with level 3.
I loved my thumb break holster!!! I had the perfect grip and snap release!!! This new holster is no better and really does not offer any better retention. Any criminal can go to a store and check it out in person. they can see how it operates and then get your gun if they want it.
I have actually heard about Latino gangs practicing the technique to do it in mock scenarios.
So I practice keeping my elbow over it while near people. Hitting my arm is going to be my first indication your reaching for it. I can press my arm down and this will stop you from releasing the catch plus.... stop you cold from drawing out the gun had you been able to release it.
Each department has a different holster.
My department has switched three times in 15 years. Many are going to Level 2 and I have seen very few with level 3.
I loved my thumb break holster!!! I had the perfect grip and snap release!!! This new holster is no better and really does not offer any better retention. Any criminal can go to a store and check it out in person. they can see how it operates and then get your gun if they want it.
I have actually heard about Latino gangs practicing the technique to do it in mock scenarios.
So I practice keeping my elbow over it while near people. Hitting my arm is going to be my first indication your reaching for it. I can press my arm down and this will stop you from releasing the catch plus.... stop you cold from drawing out the gun had you been able to release it.
cato
Newbie
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LEO 229 wrote:
LEO 229 wrote:
We were briefed on this about three years ago. One gun take away session resulted in sending a fellow gang member to the hospital with a hole in his belly! Seems they only removed the mag and did not check the chamber before practicing!
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HankT wrote:
I believe Level I is just a snap thumb break holster. This is a minimum standard.
Level II incorporates someone other then a snap top. Level III would be a combination of level II and one additional step.
The gang bangers get the holsters and then practice. They also do drills in prison on how to step in and remove a gun. But the real training happens when they purchase YOUR same holster.
I already mentioned that anyone that OCs is a target. If your showing off that beautiful gun... your a possible target. It is like walking up to the ATM and then taking out cash. Your not going to be robbed all the time but it can and does happen.
HankT wrote:
I believe Level I is just a snap thumb break holster. This is a minimum standard.
Level II incorporates someone other then a snap top. Level III would be a combination of level II and one additional step.
The gang bangers get the holsters and then practice. They also do drills in prison on how to step in and remove a gun. But the real training happens when they purchase YOUR same holster.
I already mentioned that anyone that OCs is a target. If your showing off that beautiful gun... your a possible target. It is like walking up to the ATM and then taking out cash. Your not going to be robbed all the time but it can and does happen.
roscoe13
Campaign Veteran
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HankT wrote:
HankT wrote:
The problem with that, from the gang's perspective, is the huge variety of holsters a civilian OCer might be carrying in. In many PDs, everyone has to use the same weapon & holster, so that's the only thing the gangs have to train on...
AbNo
Regular Member
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I don't think this is going to be QUITE the epidemic You are suggesting. Certainly something to watch for, if possible, but I don't think we'll see a rash of this.
And gods help anyone that fails at trying to snatch off an OC'er.
As a side note, I'm kind of glad whenever I go anywhere, I almost always have a buddy of mine with me, and when I was telling him what I had recently learned about VA OC, he was pleased.
Think I'll pass this on to him, since we were both planning on getting a CHP anyway...
Then again, this is the guy I go to the range with, so I KNOW he's pro 2A. Hells, I loaned him the cash to get a Taurus 92FS. :lol:
I don't think this is going to be QUITE the epidemic You are suggesting. Certainly something to watch for, if possible, but I don't think we'll see a rash of this.
And gods help anyone that fails at trying to snatch off an OC'er.
As a side note, I'm kind of glad whenever I go anywhere, I almost always have a buddy of mine with me, and when I was telling him what I had recently learned about VA OC, he was pleased.
Think I'll pass this on to him, since we were both planning on getting a CHP anyway...
Then again, this is the guy I go to the range with, so I KNOW he's pro 2A. Hells, I loaned him the cash to get a Taurus 92FS. :lol:
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roscoe13 wrote:
How many OCers actually use a holster other than a thumb break snap?? Easy concept to grast.. Break the snap and pull up.
Not many Level II or III holsters other then those designed for duty belts.
I did post once already about an OC guy that was walking out to his car when two fine, upstanding, young men approached. One had a gun and when the two walked away.. they both had guns.
In this case... they did not snatch it but rather jacked him for it.
roscoe13 wrote:
How many OCers actually use a holster other than a thumb break snap?? Easy concept to grast.. Break the snap and pull up.
Not many Level II or III holsters other then those designed for duty belts.
I did post once already about an OC guy that was walking out to his car when two fine, upstanding, young men approached. One had a gun and when the two walked away.. they both had guns.
In this case... they did not snatch it but rather jacked him for it.
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Just because your armed.. doesn't mean someone will not try to deprive you of your gun while out with your family... minding your own business.
Going for a LEO gun is not a good idea and you would have every cops in the area headed in your direction. But a citizens gun... and take their phone. The criminals have been taking the victim's phone now too after they rob them. I have seen this rather often.
Be safe and be aware....
Just because your armed.. doesn't mean someone will not try to deprive you of your gun while out with your family... minding your own business.
Going for a LEO gun is not a good idea and you would have every cops in the area headed in your direction. But a citizens gun... and take their phone. The criminals have been taking the victim's phone now too after they rob them. I have seen this rather often.
Be safe and be aware....
roscoe13
Campaign Veteran
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LEO 229 wrote:
LEO 229 wrote:
Several members here (myself included) carry using the Blackhawk Sherpa, which is level 2, and not thumb break...
AbNo
Regular Member
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roscoe13 wrote:
I've seen a lot of recommendations for that...
If they make it for a 4" XD, how do you release it, anyway? If they don't, I don't care... :lol:
roscoe13 wrote:
I've seen a lot of recommendations for that...
If they make it for a 4" XD, how do you release it, anyway? If they don't, I don't care... :lol: