Bass Pro Vegas Apparently did not get its own memo.

[Vegassteve]

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I would say that most would frown on it. None I go to are posted though. In this case it still does not matter as the store is only connected by another entrance to the casino that in my experience has had a guard at it. I have never ever seen casino security in the Bass Pro. Also when I took care of this issue last year with corporate BassP loss prevention they looked into the casino issue and said that it had no issues with BP customers who carry.

 

[autosurgeon]

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Nevada Casinos are not a CEZ but most will ask you to leave if they see a gun... I CC in them when I am out there as I don't want the hassle and as I am usually there with friends for dinner I don't need a scene!

 

[timf343]

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Vegassteve wrote:

OK Scott we have some issues here.

First did you get a name? I am going to call corp again and contact the OC.org folks who took care of this. This store has been told many times and have complied before.

Second you should have never showed your blue card. It was none of his biz. If he didnt want you there you should have left. Otherwise all you have done is made him money and done nothing for our cause.

I do not understand why people continue to buy things from stores that do not want us in them. If you need overpriced ammo that bad I will just give you some.

Third the casino has ZERO to do with this. If casino security wants to keep OC out then thats fine but the entrance to the casino is seperate from bass Pro.

Completely agreed with you here Steve.

As to the blue card is not required to be carried with the weapon, and non-residents are not required to have one. A visitor from Pahrump would not have a blue card to show.

If it were me in this scenario (and it wouldn't be as I would have left without buying anything followed up with a complaint), I would have played games with the manager. For example, got to the front of the store, and "forgot" the box $0.99 whatevers at the back of the store. Made him parade all over the store with me looking for random things. Probably even played a psychological game trying to get him to push the cart for me -- reach for something and ask him to bring the cart over, throw something in and keep walking. Then got to the front of the store and say I changed my mind and didn't want anything.

 

[Lostlittlerobot]

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So first -I unfortunately didn't get his name. I was about 5 seconds from leaving, but I preferred to get my purchase done rather than leave empty handed. You have the date and time, I’m sure if you asked who was supervising and walked someone up to hunting, you’d find a name.

Second -I know I didn't have to give him my blue card, but it did get him to cooperate more with me.

Third - His line about the casino isn't an issue you need to take up with me...it was what he spouted off.

I'm sort of surprised by your replies here. Saying that I hurt the cause. I thought by bringing this up it would help whoever's crusade with this particular store that I'd shown this issue is still not resolved. I was trying to help by providing you the information, but it seems to have just pissed a few of you offat me, not the bass pro shop.



...anyway if you can suggest a better place to find cheaper ammo, I'm all ears.

 

[Vegassteve]

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Lostlittlerobot wrote:

So first -I unfortunately didn't get his name. I was about 5 seconds from leaving, but I preferred to get my purchase done rather than leave empty handed. You have the date and time, I’m sure if you asked who was supervising and walked someone up to hunting, you’d find a name.

Second -I know I didn't have to give him my blue card, but it did get him to cooperate more with me.

Third - His line about the casino isn't an issue you need to take up with me...it was what he spouted off.

I'm sort of surprised by your replies here. Saying that I hurt the cause. I thought by bringing this up it would help whoever's crusade with this particular store that I'd shown this issue is still not resolved. I was trying to help by providing you the information, but it seems to have just pissed a few of you offat me, not the bass pro shop.



...anyway if you can suggest a better place to find cheaper ammo, I'm all ears.

WellI am not pissed at you but I am concerned that so many do what you did. I just dont understand still spending money at a place that clearly does not want you. Again if you need ammo there are sources in this valley. Check out the Nevada shooters forum. People list places and stores that have ammo on hand every day.



And you giving him your blue card did not get him to go along with you. It only gave him the feeling of some power over you. He didnt go along at all HE MADE YOU PLAY his game to get your items.



Trust me Bass Pro will get an ear full in the morning. I have already been in touch with Mike who runs this site and I have the contact info to get this fixed AGAIN.

 

[timf343]

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I am also not pissed off at you. "Hurting the cause" is a relative term that sounds harsher than I think it was intended - I echo Steve's sentiments about spending money in a place you're not welcome.

 

[Mike]

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Iemailed the store manager and corp. communications director - my bet is that this is resolved soon, will keep you posted, and yes folks, please do not give stores banning open carry your money - just politely drop your stuff (OK, set it on the floor nicely) and walk out of the store - this makes an impression on everyone - alternatively, paying them money or complying with directives to leave guns in cars etc. just rewards these employess' behavior.

Example - one time at the LA Air Force base commissary some years ago the check out person demanded to check my military ID not to see if I was an authorized commissary user but rather to ensure my name matched the name on my credit card, a well known violation of their merchant agreement with MasterCard and VISA as such cards are signature cards, see https://www.mastercard.com/us/personal/en/contactus/merchantviolations.htmlto report violations.

well this lady went on an on about policy this, and "the general shows his ID," etc.I looked at our overflowing card with meat, seafood, deli items, food we had touched and bagged, etc. - over $200 worth, all bagged and checked thru after considerable time and effort by the cashier and bagger - and then I looked at my wife, who began smiling and shaking her head as she knew wat was coming next

So the cashier calls over the manager and we went thru the deal again - the manager saidI had to show ID, so I showed him my military ID. Then he said I had to show the ID and the credit card simoultaneously - I explained again, no, the credit card is a signature card, the name on the card does ot have to be the name of the person using it, etc., and that stores are required to check the signature on the back of the card to ensure a reasonable likeness - the manager kept it up, saying that their policy requires ID checks for credit card use etc.

So I nicely said somthing like, "OK, you mean you will not let me buy my food here with this signed credit card unless the name on the card is the same as the name on my military ID and you check this?"

Manager: "That's right."

Me: "OK, fine."

Manager:

Me: "Have a good day." [pushing the overflowing cart slightly away and turning to walk away with wife]

Manager, cashier, & bagger: [extremely loud silence]

And I mean silence - even people in line and at nearby check out stations were standing there silent and in shock just looking at us walk away - it was like in slow motion out of a movie or somthing . . . it would have taken at least an hour to return all those items to the shelves and they probably had to throw away things like granded coffee, the seafood, deli items etc. on sanitation grounds.

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Epilogue: 5 days later, after email complaint to the DECA IG and a web form merchant violation repot to MasterCard, I receive phone call from LA Air Force Base to please return to the commissary and enjoy shopping with my credit card without worrying about name checks

 

[joeschmo]

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I for one am appalled that a business that bans open carry for what I'm sure they believe is better gun safety would even suggest putting the gun in your car and returning to the business. Leaving a firearm in a vehicle is not a good idea IMHO, especially after people have seen you with it and seen you put it in the vehicle. That is the quickest way to get that gun into the hands of a criminal.

 

[Zed Snardbody]

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Sorry, I should have been watching this topic better since I started it.

I actually haven't been back since my problem I still have the gentleman's voice mail saved.

If anyone needs/wants his contact information please PM me. I'm not entirely comfortable posting it on the board, but since his store can't seem to get squared away maybe more than one person also needs to take it up with him.

Or email me, it will come to my blackberry if any of you are comfortable with that at MRMyers at gmail dot com.

 

[timf343]

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Mike, great commissary story, very funny, and also quite informative. Just stick by your guns (forgive the pun) and refuse to patronize businesses who don't want you there. Plenty of other stores in this tough economy would love your business.

Tim

 

[Mike]

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I received a call from Bass Pro Corp. management today saying that they understand the Las Vegas management to already fully understand that open carry is allowed at Bass Pro shops.

I was also told that bass Pro is requiring all employees to watch their new instructional film on the matter and that they are sorry for any mistaken actions by employees, if any, at this location.

So folks, just feel free to open carry while shpping at Bass Pro, but please don't ask the employees what they think, or bait them in any way - just mind your own business and shop and then leave.

If you are told to leave for open carrying, just ask nicely to see the general manager of the store, and if the manager is still confused, get his name and leave and contact the corporation for resolution.

 

[AnakinsKid]

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I just had a thought about the request to leave the gun in the car. I ride a motorcycle. I'd like to know how secure they think my gun will be in my saddlebags.

 

[DESERT ATILLA]

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Perhaps a few of us should get together and go "shopping" enmasse. What do you think?

 

[maldog]

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Lostlittlerobot wrote:

So first -I unfortunately didn't get his name. I was about 5 seconds from leaving, but I preferred to get my purchase done rather than leave empty handed. You have the date and time, I’m sure if you asked who was supervising and walked someone up to hunting, you’d find a name.

Second -I know I didn't have to give him my blue card, but it did get him to cooperate more with me.

Third - His line about the casino isn't an issue you need to take up with me...it was what he spouted off.

I'm sort of surprised by your replies here. Saying that I hurt the cause. I thought by bringing this up it would help whoever's crusade with this particular store that I'd shown this issue is still not resolved. I was trying to help by providing you the information, but it seems to have just pissed a few of you offat me, not the bass pro shop.



...anyway if you can suggest a better place to find cheaper ammo, I'm all ears.

I for one and I'm sure all of us are not mad at ya!

I posted about this same store just recently. none of their employees had any clue about OC! all of the employees I talked to said they heard nothing about it from MGMT.

Also, here's a place for cheaper ammo.........................

http://www.vegasguns.webs.com/

 

[Pikachu711]

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DESERT ATILLA wrote:

Perhaps a few of us should get together and go "shopping" enmasse. What do you think?

I love that idea. I would love to see the face of some poor Bass Pro associate deal with 3-4 or more OC customers at one time. I'd be willing to participate in something like that if we could come to a common time of day to meet at that store.

I'll watch for more info on this great suggestion.

 

[Vegassteve]

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Pikachu711 wrote:

DESERT ATILLA wrote:

Perhaps a few of us should get together and go "shopping" enmasse. What do you think?

I love that idea. I would love to see the face of some poor Bass Pro associate deal with 3-4 or more OC customers at one time. I'd be willing to participate in something like that if we could come to a common time of day to meet at that store.

I'll watch for more info on this great suggestion.

I dont know we need to do that as some show. The issues should be resolved now.

 

[DESERT ATILLA]

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Don't get me wrong. We wouldn't make a big show of it. We would just be a few shoppers who happen to know one another who are OCng. I was thinking of 2-4 people.

 

[Mike]

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Pikachu711 wrote:

I love that idea. I would love to see the face of some poor Bass Pro associate deal with 3-4 or more OC customers at one time. I'd be willing to participate in something like that if we could come to a common time of day to meet at that store.

I'll watch for more info on this great suggestion.

This sort of motivation is counter-productive - the idea behind normal open carry is not to confront people or cause a comotion.

 

[takemine2]

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DESERT ATILLA wrote:

Perhaps a few of us should get together and go "shopping" enmasse. What do you think?

Friday - Monday late morning works for me! I'm in!

 

[Zed Snardbody]

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I think this would be counter productive. These are people that work in retail. Its not like interactions with police officers where we have a reasonable expectation that they know the laws they are expected to enforce.

If we put these people in the store on the spot, and god forbid they feel threatened, Bass Pro could likely decide we're more trouble than our business is worth and they might well be right.

What were doing now, keeping the pressure on management, the people that are paid to deal with these kind of issues is the right thing to do. On the local and national level Bass Pro needs to know that the Las Vegas store is having issues. So far they've been responsive, but in a large store with 2 to 3 shifts of people multiple managers and supervisors and who knows what kind of turn over its possible it is taking time.

Again its just my opinion, but I don't think a group of shoppers is the right way to go about it.