yeahYeah
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McCain i am sure knew who he was putting on as his VP - an nra life member and hunter.
McCain i am sure knew who he was putting on as his VP - an nra life member and hunter.
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Biden Says Obama Won't Take His Beretta
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imperialism2024
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yeahYeah wrote:
The Second Amendment is not about hunting and being a member of the NRA. The Second Amendment is about making sure that tyrants like McCain and Obama are not allowed to exercise their will in office.
yeahYeah wrote:
He did so to bring gun owners on board, hoping they are too stupid to figure out the connection between gun ownership and freedom, and thus how he is a great foe of the latter. It seems to have worked...
The Second Amendment is not about hunting and being a member of the NRA. The Second Amendment is about making sure that tyrants like McCain and Obama are not allowed to exercise their will in office.
longwatch
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I don't think you have to remind us what the 2nd Amendment is for. However, in this election, like it or not, either McCain or Obama, will win. It would be nice if we had better options but we don't, maybe next time. So who do we pick, if for no other reason, will do less damage?
I don't think you have to remind us what the 2nd Amendment is for. However, in this election, like it or not, either McCain or Obama, will win. It would be nice if we had better options but we don't, maybe next time. So who do we pick, if for no other reason, will do less damage?
unreconstructed1
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Dukester wrote:
of course, you are probably one of those folks who believe that the 2nd is talking about the national guard, right....:quirky
Oh and by the way.... fishlips? way to be a grown up and challenge her views based on merit instead of childish personal attacks.
Dukester wrote:
yes, and 26 of those 27 amendments are of equal importance ( I am, of course, referring to the ones that were legally ratified) which is what some of you folks seem to remember. In fact, if there was one amendment of prime importance, it would be the 2nd, since it was specifically enumerated in order to defend the others...
of course, you are probably one of those folks who believe that the 2nd is talking about the national guard, right....:quirky
Oh and by the way.... fishlips? way to be a grown up and challenge her views based on merit instead of childish personal attacks.
imperialism2024
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longwatch wrote:
The way I view it, we have one option: oppression. Either McCain or Obama, just pick whether the country pulls to the right or the left as it slides down the slippery slope.
No, a third party isn't going to win this election. But until people stop voting for the "lesser of two evils", there is no incentive for the two major parties to try to take America in a positive direction.
longwatch wrote:
Well, I figured some other members might need a refresher...
The way I view it, we have one option: oppression. Either McCain or Obama, just pick whether the country pulls to the right or the left as it slides down the slippery slope.
No, a third party isn't going to win this election. But until people stop voting for the "lesser of two evils", there is no incentive for the two major parties to try to take America in a positive direction.
longwatch
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The game is rigged, but I think at least for gun ownership, we and our issue is becoming a third rail a politician can't mess with. Obama is trying to insulate himself with rhetoric that 'even if he wanted to he could take our guns away', McCain did so by picking Palin and uttering pro gun stances. At this time the only way we stay effective is if we reward/punish the 2 main candidates. If we stay home, we have no effect, we vote third party we have no effect, and it emboldens the antis. Put it this way if McCain loses, why would Obama fear the gun vote? Why would future republicans wish to woo it, we can't deliver a victory after all. So we matter only so long as we remain involved in the play.
In the big picture, we do need to change both parties from inside, so as you said earlier grassroots and local and state elections is a priority. Change the climate so to speak and grow politicians who respect the constitution and the rights of the people.
In the meantime if I have to choose between a ticket thats for a AWB, childproof guns, closing gun shows and whatever other gun control he can get the votes for, or a guy that may close the gun show loophole, but is otherwise been friendly to gun rights AND has a so far very pro gun VP? I'll take the 9/10 Loaf over no loaf at all.
The game is rigged, but I think at least for gun ownership, we and our issue is becoming a third rail a politician can't mess with. Obama is trying to insulate himself with rhetoric that 'even if he wanted to he could take our guns away', McCain did so by picking Palin and uttering pro gun stances. At this time the only way we stay effective is if we reward/punish the 2 main candidates. If we stay home, we have no effect, we vote third party we have no effect, and it emboldens the antis. Put it this way if McCain loses, why would Obama fear the gun vote? Why would future republicans wish to woo it, we can't deliver a victory after all. So we matter only so long as we remain involved in the play.
In the big picture, we do need to change both parties from inside, so as you said earlier grassroots and local and state elections is a priority. Change the climate so to speak and grow politicians who respect the constitution and the rights of the people.
In the meantime if I have to choose between a ticket thats for a AWB, childproof guns, closing gun shows and whatever other gun control he can get the votes for, or a guy that may close the gun show loophole, but is otherwise been friendly to gun rights AND has a so far very pro gun VP? I'll take the 9/10 Loaf over no loaf at all.
Doug Huffman
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I think that this is a rehash of the 'elephant analogy'; how does one eat an elephant, in one revolting mouthful or with many small bites?
Those willing to revulsion will vote their conscience and a 'none of the above' third party.
The elephant's death by a thousand bites approach, changing the two parties from the inside so to speak, is possible but only with principle and discipline and OCDO illustrates that these are in short supply.
Please read, understand and practice 'The Real Nature of Politics and Politicians: or America's System Works But Not the Way You Think' by Michael I Rothfeld, widely available on the web but also at http://www.rmgo.org/alerts/RealNature.shtml
I think the section Policy in the Margins or Why Grass-Roots Politics Works is on point.
Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA KMfreekinA$$
I think that this is a rehash of the 'elephant analogy'; how does one eat an elephant, in one revolting mouthful or with many small bites?
Those willing to revulsion will vote their conscience and a 'none of the above' third party.
The elephant's death by a thousand bites approach, changing the two parties from the inside so to speak, is possible but only with principle and discipline and OCDO illustrates that these are in short supply.
Please read, understand and practice 'The Real Nature of Politics and Politicians: or America's System Works But Not the Way You Think' by Michael I Rothfeld, widely available on the web but also at http://www.rmgo.org/alerts/RealNature.shtml
I think the section Policy in the Margins or Why Grass-Roots Politics Works is on point.
Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA KMfreekinA$$
Toymaker
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Excellent article, Doug.
Excellent article, Doug.
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hogleg wrote:
hogleg wrote:
Are you kidding me??? McCain can't remember what he supports or doesn't support nor can he remember what he did last week!
The Donkey
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longwatch wrote:
The fact is that DEMOCRATS need to respect the gun vote in order to get elected in any statewide office outside of the Northeast, Illinois andCalifornia.
Consider Warner in Virginia for example.
So you do matter and will matter no matter who gets to be President.
But YES you are absolutely right that state legislatures are where the action is and wherewe do need to be heard on BOTH sides of the aisle.
longwatch wrote:
The fact is that DEMOCRATS need to respect the gun vote in order to get elected in any statewide office outside of the Northeast, Illinois andCalifornia.
Consider Warner in Virginia for example.
So you do matter and will matter no matter who gets to be President.
But YES you are absolutely right that state legislatures are where the action is and wherewe do need to be heard on BOTH sides of the aisle.
KBCraig
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Okay, so Jon Stewart thinks Beretta only makes handguns. But he does have a pretty hilarious rip on Biden trying to masquerade as Elmer Fudd.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=186018&title=joe-versus-the-volcano
Okay, so Jon Stewart thinks Beretta only makes handguns. But he does have a pretty hilarious rip on Biden trying to masquerade as Elmer Fudd.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=186018&title=joe-versus-the-volcano
MetalChris
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KBCraig wrote:
KBCraig wrote:
I think the vast majority of the unwashed masses thinks that. The first thing that comes to my mind when I hear "Beretta" is the M-9. Aren't their shotty's pretty high-end, like something only a rich, elitist snob might own?
Armed
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MetalChris wrote:
MetalChris wrote:
Yep, they're not cheap. Apparently, their O/U's are supposed to be outstanding upland game bird guns.
PrayingForWar
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Dukester wrote:
Are YOU kidding anyone? Your guys have said the stupidest things we've heard all election cycle!! nObama has changed position for every crowd, and sounds like a stuttering fool off telepropmter. Uhh...Umm... I uhh...welll...you know...it's beyond my paygrade...
Those two clowns aren't fit to manage a McDonalds, it's no wonder your party icon is a jackass, it goes with the territory.
Dukester wrote:
Are YOU kidding anyone? Your guys have said the stupidest things we've heard all election cycle!! nObama has changed position for every crowd, and sounds like a stuttering fool off telepropmter. Uhh...Umm... I uhh...welll...you know...it's beyond my paygrade...
Those two clowns aren't fit to manage a McDonalds, it's no wonder your party icon is a jackass, it goes with the territory.
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PrayingForWar wrote:
Yep, no more Neo Fascist, we have had enough for the last 8 years and McCant is just4 more years of Bush inept policies. I mean, look where we are now and thanks to the Repubs we are experiencing the greatest financial crisis since the Depression!CONservatives do not know how to govern, thats for sure.
Who cares about that statement he made at that Evangelical Nut Warrens Forum, Warren nothing, who freakin cares?
Just like your Moron McCant who one day says the fundamentals of the economy are strong and the very next day the economy in on the verge of crashing. Yep, McCant is a freakin idiot!
PrayingForWar wrote:
Yep, no more Neo Fascist, we have had enough for the last 8 years and McCant is just4 more years of Bush inept policies. I mean, look where we are now and thanks to the Repubs we are experiencing the greatest financial crisis since the Depression!CONservatives do not know how to govern, thats for sure.
Who cares about that statement he made at that Evangelical Nut Warrens Forum, Warren nothing, who freakin cares?
Just like your Moron McCant who one day says the fundamentals of the economy are strong and the very next day the economy in on the verge of crashing. Yep, McCant is a freakin idiot!
marshaul
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thorvaldr wrote:
thorvaldr wrote:
imperialism2024
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marshaul wrote:
War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.
Anti-gun is Pro-gun.
marshaul wrote:
Repeat after me:thorvaldr wrote:
War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.
Anti-gun is Pro-gun.
thorvaldr
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Signed the Heller Amicus brief, voted against Biden assault rifle ban, not supported by the AHSA.
Signed the Heller Amicus brief, voted against Biden assault rifle ban, not supported by the AHSA.
PrayingForWar
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Dukester wrote:
Do you think regurgitating daily kos BS over and over is making you look any smarter? This "crisis" was caused by none other than congressional dhimnocrats. Even CLINTON said they resisted republican efforts to control Fannie and Freddie. Furthermore, since the dems took over congress 2 years ago, THATS when things REALLY went downhill. Except of course in Iraq, because that's the only place republicans refused to compromise with the moonbats, and now even nObama admits the surge worked.
The fundamentals of the economy are strong, it's when liberal socialists start screwing with it that we have problems. Try again Dookie the obamabot.
Dukester wrote:
Do you think regurgitating daily kos BS over and over is making you look any smarter? This "crisis" was caused by none other than congressional dhimnocrats. Even CLINTON said they resisted republican efforts to control Fannie and Freddie. Furthermore, since the dems took over congress 2 years ago, THATS when things REALLY went downhill. Except of course in Iraq, because that's the only place republicans refused to compromise with the moonbats, and now even nObama admits the surge worked.
The fundamentals of the economy are strong, it's when liberal socialists start screwing with it that we have problems. Try again Dookie the obamabot.