TechnoWeenie
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I was walking around for a few minutes with my girlfriend, and approached an associate and asked if they price match, he said no, I thanked him then began walking away. I then noticed the manager rapidly walking directly towards me...
As she approached, I knew there were going to be questions, but from the look/demeanor/approach I shortly realized it wasn't going to be questions, more like an attack... I smiled and politely asked her 'how are you doing ma'am? what can I do for ya?'
Very aggresiivly (rudely?), she stammered out an almost incoherent demand, for PAPERS...yes.. papers.... to prove I was OK to carry a gun... I explained that in WA you don't need a permit to carry openly, only if you're carrying concealed, to which her response was 'yes, but I can see it', I pointed out, indeed, that it is the case, which means It's completely legal without a permit, which seemed to confuse her. I then explained to her that safeway follows the gun laws of the state the store is in, to which she said she didn't care, that she was the manager, and she could do what she wanted.. She then DEMANDED I show her my 'gun permit', I reiterated that the law didn't require me to have one, but I explained the limitation of not having a loaded firearm in your vehicle, and explained that I did indeed have one.. She again demanded to see it.. (not asked....demanded).... She seemed to relax when I told her I had a permit, and in the hope of putting the 'misunderstanding' behind us, I held the permit out in a way that obscured my name/address, but was clearly legible as a 'concealed pistol license'.... She then went on the attack again, exclaiming that she had a 'permit' too, and you CAN'T carry like that, concealed means noone can see it, etc... I again attempted to politely explain the law and was interrupted (again).
She then went on a rant about how 'in these times' and how her employees were scared to death someone was going to rob them... I tried explaining about how I was open carrying, and FBI statistics in relation to crimes involving holsters, and asking her how many times she's been robbed by a couple shopping, but I couldn't get a word in edgewise, I was told 'you're not even in uniform, you can't do that!', when I asked her what a uniform had to do with it she explained that she wouldn't be scared if an officer had a gun on his belt, so I asked her why she's scared of ME, and she said 'because I don't know you!'.. I tried to say 'but you don't know the officer either', but I was again rudely cut off... I was then told that if I 'was trying to be a cop or something' to do it somewhere else, then she said she would call the police...
I obliged her, and said that was fine, and asked if the police said it was legal that she would let me stay and shop, her response was 'this is private property, I don't have to listen to what the police say, I'm the manager'..For the fifth or six time she alluded to the fact that she didn't want anyone openly carrying a gun 'in her store' unless it was accompanied with a badge and a uniform.. I asked her for a card, which she declined, and again mentioned that she didn't want someone with a gun in her store, I formally asked her if she was asking me to leave, she said yes, I made a point to use her full name as I said 'Thank you' and left.. She was pretty smug/self righteous/disrespectful/etc the entire time she was berating me, refusing to tell anything but 'I'm the manager' but it changed when I mentioned her name... Name tags with your full name on them rock, I gotta tell you...
Pure ignorance......rude.. disrespectful... implying I was trying to act like a cop.. etc etc...
I'll be calling corporate first thing in the morning....
I was walking around for a few minutes with my girlfriend, and approached an associate and asked if they price match, he said no, I thanked him then began walking away. I then noticed the manager rapidly walking directly towards me...
As she approached, I knew there were going to be questions, but from the look/demeanor/approach I shortly realized it wasn't going to be questions, more like an attack... I smiled and politely asked her 'how are you doing ma'am? what can I do for ya?'
Very aggresiivly (rudely?), she stammered out an almost incoherent demand, for PAPERS...yes.. papers.... to prove I was OK to carry a gun... I explained that in WA you don't need a permit to carry openly, only if you're carrying concealed, to which her response was 'yes, but I can see it', I pointed out, indeed, that it is the case, which means It's completely legal without a permit, which seemed to confuse her. I then explained to her that safeway follows the gun laws of the state the store is in, to which she said she didn't care, that she was the manager, and she could do what she wanted.. She then DEMANDED I show her my 'gun permit', I reiterated that the law didn't require me to have one, but I explained the limitation of not having a loaded firearm in your vehicle, and explained that I did indeed have one.. She again demanded to see it.. (not asked....demanded).... She seemed to relax when I told her I had a permit, and in the hope of putting the 'misunderstanding' behind us, I held the permit out in a way that obscured my name/address, but was clearly legible as a 'concealed pistol license'.... She then went on the attack again, exclaiming that she had a 'permit' too, and you CAN'T carry like that, concealed means noone can see it, etc... I again attempted to politely explain the law and was interrupted (again).
She then went on a rant about how 'in these times' and how her employees were scared to death someone was going to rob them... I tried explaining about how I was open carrying, and FBI statistics in relation to crimes involving holsters, and asking her how many times she's been robbed by a couple shopping, but I couldn't get a word in edgewise, I was told 'you're not even in uniform, you can't do that!', when I asked her what a uniform had to do with it she explained that she wouldn't be scared if an officer had a gun on his belt, so I asked her why she's scared of ME, and she said 'because I don't know you!'.. I tried to say 'but you don't know the officer either', but I was again rudely cut off... I was then told that if I 'was trying to be a cop or something' to do it somewhere else, then she said she would call the police...
I obliged her, and said that was fine, and asked if the police said it was legal that she would let me stay and shop, her response was 'this is private property, I don't have to listen to what the police say, I'm the manager'..For the fifth or six time she alluded to the fact that she didn't want anyone openly carrying a gun 'in her store' unless it was accompanied with a badge and a uniform.. I asked her for a card, which she declined, and again mentioned that she didn't want someone with a gun in her store, I formally asked her if she was asking me to leave, she said yes, I made a point to use her full name as I said 'Thank you' and left.. She was pretty smug/self righteous/disrespectful/etc the entire time she was berating me, refusing to tell anything but 'I'm the manager' but it changed when I mentioned her name... Name tags with your full name on them rock, I gotta tell you...
Pure ignorance......rude.. disrespectful... implying I was trying to act like a cop.. etc etc...
I'll be calling corporate first thing in the morning....