CADL seeks to outlaw OC in Michigan

[TheQ]

It's a bad idea.

There you have it. I defer to you, good esquire.

 

[stainless1911]

It's a bad idea.

Good enough for me too. lol @ Q.

 

[Bronson]

Take the gas money, food money, sign making supplies money, and any other money you'd spend on a day trip to Lansing to protest and give it to the legal fund.

Bronson

 

[autosurgeon]

Take the gas money, food money, sign making supplies money, and any other money you'd spend on a day trip to Lansing to protest and give it to the legal fund.

Bronson

Yep this! Of course I know Q has given to both of the legal funds anyway!

 

[TheQ]

...and I live in Lansing -- ergo not much gas money spent

 

[autosurgeon]

...and I live in Lansing -- ergo not much gas money spent

But think of the poster board and markers saved!! :banana:

 

[TheQ]

But think of the poster board and markers saved!! :banana:

I'm leading the drive to get Dr. Paul elected in Lansing. My house isn't lacking poster board.

 

[1ADAM12]

How does that go...obvious troll is obvious..

Yea, whatever.

But no, to be smart about it lets stick to hand guns, LGOC got us in the situation and it certainly isnt going to be what gets us out.

It did? But the guy justified it and everyone is rallied behind him. If you support him so much... do it his way.

 

[Yance]

those that stand behind him understand why he chose to LGOC. However it was the LGOC that was the straw that broke the camels back with the CADL so I highly doubt that LGOCing would help get us out of a situation which LGOC put us in.

 

[autosurgeon]

I detect a familiar troll in this thread...names may change but M.O. does not. Do not feed the troll.

Sent from my Inspire 4G via Tapatalk flying mail monkeys

 

[Venator]

those that stand behind him understand why he chose to LGOC. However it was the LGOC that was the straw that broke the camels back with the CADL so I highly doubt that LGOCing would help get us out of a situation which LGOC put us in.

But did it break the straw, or was it the refusal of the LPD to show up and be the CADLs muscle when the LPD knew they were on shaky legal ground. It was only then that the LPD conspired with CADL to get a restraining order so they could once again be called in to muscle.

The long gun only brought to light the illegal CADL policy. If the LPD had kept up their foot solider tactics the restraining order would never have been filed.

 

[smellslikemichigan]

haha, i just gave the same advice in another thread in which the same guy was spewing nonsense

 

[NHCGRPR45]

So any progress?? Or whens the court date?

 

[TheQ]

So any progress?? Or whens the court date?

Right now our good esquire is preparing a response to CADL's cross appeal. We have no judges assigned yet, I hear that will happen late Winter. We should have a decision next spring.

 

[DrTodd]

A pistol is a very effective defensive weapon, but its range is very limited. About 25 yards, with regular practice. Almost everywhere you go, os going to involve significantly greater distances.

I think my scoped 44mag would do a little better than 25 yards...

 

[DrTodd]

I agree Stainless,no reason to get the thread locked, only reason i agreed to discuss it was to put some things to rest that people were unsure about, and i think that has been sufficiently accomplished.

just a thought...since CADL has a designated nuclear fallout shelter in at least one of the branches(downtown lansing) could that make it subject to preemption somehow, or some other law we could use to our advantage? i know when a state of emergency is declared, the government cannot disarm the law abiding populace.

MCL 123.1101 Definitions.Sec. 1.
As used in this act:
(a) “Local unit of government” means a city, village, township, or county.


Actually, on the face of it, I would think that argument is weaker than one GLARING fact: they were created and are to some degree, controlled, by the entities who ARE contained within the local unit of government definition within the law:

Effective January 1, 1998, Capital Area District Library commenced official operations
pursuant to the March 10, 1997 signed District Library Agreement. The District Library
Agreement was originally entered into by the County of Ingham, except for the City of
East Lansing and small portions of White Oak and Locke Townships, and the City of
Lansing. In February 1999, three additional participating municipalities were
recognized by the original participants – Delhi Township, Meridian Township and the
City of Williamston. The Library is funded primarily through property taxes, state aid,
penal fines, and donations. The voters of the districts approved a 1.56 mill tax for a
four-year period, which began with a tax levy effective December 31, 2006. This
millage provides funding of Library operations through December 31, 2010.
The Library is governed by a seven-member board. The board consists of five members
appointed by the County of Ingham and two members appointed by the City of Lansing.
The Library is not included as a component unit in any other primary government’s
financial statements. Based on the significance of any operations or financial
relationships with the Library, there are no component units to be included in these
financial statements.

Taken from: Capital Area District Library FINANCIAL STATEMENTS (2008) Page 11
http://www.cadl.org/about/financials/CADLaudit2008.pdf

 

[Michigun]

.. i know when a state of emergency is declared, the government cannot disarm the law abiding populace.

*cough.Katrina.cough*

 

[stainless1911]

*cough.Katrina.cough*

A law was passed soon after, prohibiting the .gov from repeating that mistake. I can't recall the cite.

ETA, I dont trust it though, and as a result during any natural or man made disaster, would actively seek to avoid contact with any law enforcement or rescue personnel.

 

[Venator]

A law was passed soon after, prohibiting the .gov from repeating that mistake. I can't recall the cite.

ETA, I dont trust it though, and as a result during any natural or man made disaster, would actively seek to avoid contact with any law enforcement or rescue personnel.

FEDERAL
H.R. 5441 [109th]: Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Act, 2007
Section 557 -
Amends the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (Stafford Act) to prohibit any U.S. officer or employee, or person operating under color of federal law, under control of a federal official, or providing services to such person, while acting in support of relief from a major disaster or emergency, from: (1) seizing any firearm the possession of which is not prohibited under federal or state law, other than for forfeiture in compliance with federal law or as evidence in a criminal investigation; (2) requiring registration of any firearm for which registration is not required by federal or state law; (3) prohibiting possession of any firearm where such possession is not otherwise prohibited; or (4) prohibiting the carrying of a firearm by any person otherwise authorized to carry firearms, solely because such person is operating under the control of a federal agency in support of relief from a major disaster or emergency. Authorizes any individual aggrieved by a violation of this Act to seek relief by bringing an action for redress and by bringing a civil action in U.S. district court for return of a confiscated firearm.

STATE

EMERGENCY POWERS OF GOVERNOR (EXCERPT)
Act 302 of 1945​

10.31 Proclamation of state of emergency; promulgation of orders, rules, and regulations; seizure of firearms, ammunition, or other weapons.
Sec. 1.
(1) During times of great public crisis, disaster, rioting, catastrophe, or similar public emergency within the state, or reasonable apprehension of immediate danger of a public emergency of that kind, when public safety is imperiled, either upon application of the mayor of a city, sheriff of a county, or the commissioner of the Michigan state police or upon his or her own volition, the governor may proclaim a state of emergency and designate the area involved. After making the proclamation or declaration, the governor may promulgate reasonable orders, rules, and regulations as he or she considers necessary to protect life and property or to bring the emergency situation within the affected area under control. Those orders, rules, and regulations may include, but are not limited to, providing for the control of traffic, including public and private transportation, within the area or any section of the area; designation of specific zones within the area in which occupancy and use of buildings and ingress and egress of persons and vehicles may be prohibited or regulated; control of places of amusement and assembly and of persons on public streets and thoroughfares; establishment of a curfew; control of the sale, transportation, and use of alcoholic beverages and liquors; and control of the storage, use, and transportation of explosives or inflammable materials or liquids deemed to be dangerous to public safety.
(2) The orders, rules, and regulations promulgated under subsection (1) are effective from the date and in the manner prescribed in the orders, rules, and regulations and shall be made public as provided in the orders, rules, and regulations. The orders, rules, and regulations may be amended, modified, or rescinded, in the manner in which they were promulgated, from time to time by the governor during the pendency of the emergency, but shall cease to be in effect upon declaration by the governor that the emergency no longer exists.
(3) Subsection (1) does not authorize the seizure, taking, or confiscation of lawfully possessed firearms, ammunition, or other weapons.

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[Yance]

I did not know MI had that in place...you learn something new everyday, especially being on the forums.

thanks for posting that Venator!