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I went to play free poker at CB in Paradise last night. http://www.charlottesvillefullhousepoker.com
I went out to celebrate the VA Senate passing a bill to end the nonsensical requirement to expose oneself when carrying a firearm in an establishment that serves alcohol.
I was "asked to put my gun in the car" as is the usual polite denial of my rights tactic. (Luby's Diner in TX anyone?) I instead initiated a convo w/ one of the two managing partners, who made the "request":
Mark Hurley 975-4386 C 566-5507
ch8705@cheeseburgerinparadise.com
It ranks as the least combative and most educational (for him) discussions I have had with a private enterprise authoritah figure. HE MAY BE OPEN TO OUR POINT OF VIEW. I was told that he does not want the other patrons to be "uncomfortable" upon seeing my firearm.
There was no specific complaint that night, he maintained, but I believe otherwise, as another poker player (who hastold others he wants to "kick my ass in the parking lot") has repeatedly used my mandatory OC as a way to cause me grief. He even resorted to calling the CHO PD 911 during a poker tournament. I have destroyed him on the felt 3 times too many, apparently, and this is his only recourse, as he is old, fat, stoopid and not as good at poker as I, apparently.
I remindedMr. Hurleythat while there is no "right" to befree fromdiscomfort, there does exist a right to bear arms. Had I been aware of the anti-self defense attitude that he until now only secretly possessed, I would not have entered his establishment to support him with my funds. He asked many questions as to firearms law in VA which I helped him to understand, and I volunteered many anecdotes as well as opinions supporting my position.
The discussion ended after I told him that I did not appreciate being summoned away from my evening, I would not comply with his request to become a defensless victim, and that I would instead choose to vacate the premises, without paying for my now interrupted dinner.
I made sure to inform him of the likely changes coming as far as OC/CCW in his establishment, and he stated that I would not be welcome to visit his establishment even whilst CCW. He was forced to admit to his anti-2A position, and I told him that I respect his right to enforce such positions, but that they do come with a financial cost. I explained that to make decisions based on the emotions of possible future random anonymous "others" seems foolish at best, and to disguise it by selective enforcement is in my opinion attempting to have it both ways. This leads to unneccessary confrontations and discussions, that are soon to become obsolete with the expected legislation permitting CCW in his restaurant.
I feel that the CHO community of OC and CCW advocates have been largely content to report back with non-encounters with the local bidness' and law enforcement. Does anyone feel motivated enough to take action in the physical, non-interweb world?
I have been denied OC at the following locations, all of which are not posted as such:
Rivals Sports Bar - (stated I can't OC because they have a "liquor license" as opposed to a "beer license") That they last month lost their ABC license for failure to comprehend ABC law and subsequentlyceased operationsremainspoetic and beautiful justice. DOA - R.I.P.
Wild Wing Cafe - See the following ass mang. Joshua French (how perfect is that last name Francophobes?) local TV interview in which he threatens to strip the 4th amendment rights from those who dare to exercise their 2nd amendment rights in HIS establishment,mhea:
http://www.newsplex.com/video?clipID=4544009&autoStart=true&contentID=84361547
http://www.wildwingcafe.com/our-locations/charlottesville-va.php
Best Buy CHO 434 977-1578
Verizon branch, Ruckersville - Sign on door prohibiting OC, not weapons?!? Corporate response indicates they are fine with CCW and are NOT ANTI 2A.
Are the CHO branches equally espousing such illogical signage? "We only hatethe guns we can see!"
Again:
Does anyone feel motivated enough to take action in the physical, non-interweb world?
Would you be willing to enter these establishments to express yourself and defend your moral, ethical and legal beliefs? Will you at least make your thoughts known via telephone, mail or e-mail?
Here is your opportunity. I do what I do, and spend my shekels where I choose to spend them based on my personal beliefs and principals. I don't think I am alone, but I would not act differently if I was. You people here at OC.com are a great resource of active advocates and not a bunch of FUDDS who are cool with silence and inaction that does not involve you directly.
Walk the walk. Things are great here in VA, and are only getting better. VCDL has scored 90% of their goal legislation. Join a winning team and take action for yourself as well as your fellow citizens!
I went to play free poker at CB in Paradise last night. http://www.charlottesvillefullhousepoker.com
I went out to celebrate the VA Senate passing a bill to end the nonsensical requirement to expose oneself when carrying a firearm in an establishment that serves alcohol.
I was "asked to put my gun in the car" as is the usual polite denial of my rights tactic. (Luby's Diner in TX anyone?) I instead initiated a convo w/ one of the two managing partners, who made the "request":
Mark Hurley 975-4386 C 566-5507
ch8705@cheeseburgerinparadise.com
It ranks as the least combative and most educational (for him) discussions I have had with a private enterprise authoritah figure. HE MAY BE OPEN TO OUR POINT OF VIEW. I was told that he does not want the other patrons to be "uncomfortable" upon seeing my firearm.
There was no specific complaint that night, he maintained, but I believe otherwise, as another poker player (who hastold others he wants to "kick my ass in the parking lot") has repeatedly used my mandatory OC as a way to cause me grief. He even resorted to calling the CHO PD 911 during a poker tournament. I have destroyed him on the felt 3 times too many, apparently, and this is his only recourse, as he is old, fat, stoopid and not as good at poker as I, apparently.
I remindedMr. Hurleythat while there is no "right" to befree fromdiscomfort, there does exist a right to bear arms. Had I been aware of the anti-self defense attitude that he until now only secretly possessed, I would not have entered his establishment to support him with my funds. He asked many questions as to firearms law in VA which I helped him to understand, and I volunteered many anecdotes as well as opinions supporting my position.
The discussion ended after I told him that I did not appreciate being summoned away from my evening, I would not comply with his request to become a defensless victim, and that I would instead choose to vacate the premises, without paying for my now interrupted dinner.
I made sure to inform him of the likely changes coming as far as OC/CCW in his establishment, and he stated that I would not be welcome to visit his establishment even whilst CCW. He was forced to admit to his anti-2A position, and I told him that I respect his right to enforce such positions, but that they do come with a financial cost. I explained that to make decisions based on the emotions of possible future random anonymous "others" seems foolish at best, and to disguise it by selective enforcement is in my opinion attempting to have it both ways. This leads to unneccessary confrontations and discussions, that are soon to become obsolete with the expected legislation permitting CCW in his restaurant.
I feel that the CHO community of OC and CCW advocates have been largely content to report back with non-encounters with the local bidness' and law enforcement. Does anyone feel motivated enough to take action in the physical, non-interweb world?
I have been denied OC at the following locations, all of which are not posted as such:
Rivals Sports Bar - (stated I can't OC because they have a "liquor license" as opposed to a "beer license") That they last month lost their ABC license for failure to comprehend ABC law and subsequentlyceased operationsremainspoetic and beautiful justice. DOA - R.I.P.
Wild Wing Cafe - See the following ass mang. Joshua French (how perfect is that last name Francophobes?) local TV interview in which he threatens to strip the 4th amendment rights from those who dare to exercise their 2nd amendment rights in HIS establishment,mhea:
http://www.newsplex.com/video?clipID=4544009&autoStart=true&contentID=84361547
http://www.wildwingcafe.com/our-locations/charlottesville-va.php
Best Buy CHO 434 977-1578
Verizon branch, Ruckersville - Sign on door prohibiting OC, not weapons?!? Corporate response indicates they are fine with CCW and are NOT ANTI 2A.
Are the CHO branches equally espousing such illogical signage? "We only hatethe guns we can see!"
Again:
Does anyone feel motivated enough to take action in the physical, non-interweb world?
Would you be willing to enter these establishments to express yourself and defend your moral, ethical and legal beliefs? Will you at least make your thoughts known via telephone, mail or e-mail?
Here is your opportunity. I do what I do, and spend my shekels where I choose to spend them based on my personal beliefs and principals. I don't think I am alone, but I would not act differently if I was. You people here at OC.com are a great resource of active advocates and not a bunch of FUDDS who are cool with silence and inaction that does not involve you directly.
Walk the walk. Things are great here in VA, and are only getting better. VCDL has scored 90% of their goal legislation. Join a winning team and take action for yourself as well as your fellow citizens!