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Charlton Heston dead at 84

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imperialism2024 wrote:
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It's a damnshame that he won't be around for the SCOTUS decision in June.

Eh, I'm thinking he might be better off where he is now. I don't think God supports "reasonable restrictions"...

I don't think so either. But he fought hard for this topic and I am sure he would have wanted to see it to it's conclusion one way or the other.

Or maybe not.. :shock:
 

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It is sad news. :cry:



I guess John Wayne has someone to go shooting with now. :idea:
 

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Not a bad tribute video
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Mournfor his deathbecause that is proper, but celebrate his life, because of him we have many of the advances in our rights as we do. His life was so inspiring and he constantly called not to make an idol out of him but rather imitate and carry on his fight and make it you own. So without further adue this was a speech at a college that I found very powerful. I would like to share this with everyone as I came accross it after his death.

*I remember my son when he was five, explaining to his kindergarten class what his father did for a living. "My Daddy," he said, "pretends to be people." There have been quite a few of them. Prophets from the Old and New Testaments, a couple of Christian saints, generals of various nationalities and different centuries, several kings, three American presidents, a French cardinal and two geniuses, including Michelangelo. If you want the ceiling re-painted I’ll do my best. There always seem to be a lot of different fellows up here. I’m never sure which one of them gets to talk. Right now, I guess I’m the guy.

As I pondered our visit tonight it struck me: if my Creator gave me the gift to connect you with the hearts and minds of those great men, then I want to use that same gift now to re-connect you with your own sense of liberty, your own freedom of thought, your own compass for what is right.*

Dedicating the memorial at Gettysburg, Abraham Lincoln said of America, "We are now engaged in a great Civil War, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure."

Those words are true again. I believe that we are again engaged in a great civil war, a cultural war that’s about to hijack your birthright to think and say what lives in your heart. I’m sure you no longer trust the pulsing lifeblood of liberty inside you, the stuff that made this country rise from wilderness into the miracle that it is.

Let me back up a little. About a year or two ago, I became president of the National Rifle Association, which protects the right to keep and bear arms of American citizens. I ran for office. I was elected, and now I serve. I serve as a moving target for the media who’ve called me everything from "ridiculous" and "duped" to a "brain-injured, senile, crazy old man." I know, I’m pretty old, but I sure Lord ain’t senile.

As I’ve stood in the crosshairs of those who target Second Amendment freedoms, I’ve realized that firearms are -- are not the only issue. No, it’s much, much bigger than that. I’ve come to understand that a cultural war is raging across our land, in which, with Orwellian fervor, certain accepted thoughts and speech are mandated.

For example, I marched for civil rights with Dr. King in 1963 -- and long before Hollywood found it acceptable, I may say. But when I told an audience last year that white pride is just as valid as black pride or red pride or anyone else’s pride, they called me a racist.

I’ve worked with brilliantly talented homosexuals all my life -- throughout my whole career. But when I told an audience that gay rights should extend no further than your rights or my rights, I was called a homophobe.

I served in World War II against the Axis powers. But during a speech, when I drew an analogy between singling out the innocent Jews and singling out innocent gun owners, I was called an anti-Semite.

Everyone I know knows I would never raise a closed fist against my country. But when I asked an audience to oppose this cultural persecution I’m talking about, I was compared to Timothy McVeigh.

From Time magazine to friends and colleagues, they’re essentially saying, "Chuck, how dare you speak your mind like that. You are using language not authorized for public consumption."

But I am not afraid. If Americans believed in political correctness, we’d still be King George’s boys -- subjects bound to the British crown.

In his book, "The End of Sanity," Martin Gross writes that

"blatantly irrational behavior is rapidly being established as the norm in almost every area of human endeavor. There seem to be new customs, new rules, new anti-intellectual theories regularly twisted on us -- foisted on us from every direction. Underneath, the nation is roiling. Americans know something without a name is undermining the country, turning the mind mushy when it comes to separating truth from falsehood and right from wrong. And they don’t like it."

Let me read you a few examples. At Antioch College in Ohio, young men speaking and seeking intimacy with a coed must get verbal permission at each step of the process, from kissing to petting to final, at last, copulation -- all clearly spelled out in a printed college directive.

In New Jersey, despite the death of several patients nationwide who’d been infected by dentists who had concealed their own AIDS, the state commissioner announced that health providers who are HIV-positive need not -- need not! -- tell their patients that they are infected.

At William and Mary, students tried to change the name of the school team "The Tribe" because it was supposedly insulting to local Indians, only to learn that authentic Virginia chiefs really like the name, "The Tribe."

In San Francisco, city fathers passed an ordinance protecting the rights of transvestites to cross-dress on the job, and for transsexuals to have separate toilet facilities while undergoing sex change surgery.

In New York City, kids who didn’t speak a word of Spanish had been placed in bilingual classes to learn their three R’s in Spanish solely because their own names sound Hispanic.

At the University of Pennsylvania, in a state where thousands died at Gettysburg opposing slavery, the president of that college officially set up segregated dormitory space for black students.

Yeah, I know, that’s out of bounds now. Dr. King said "Negroes." Jimmy Baldwin and most of us on the March said "black." But it’s a no-no now.

For me, hyphenated identities are awkward, particularly "Native-American." I’m a Native American, for God’s sake. I also happen to be a blood-initiated brother of the Miniconjou Sioux. On my wife’s side, my grandson’s a twelfth generation native-American, with a capital letter on "American."

Finally, just last month, David Howard, head of the Washington D.C. Office of Public Advocate, used the word "niggardly" while talking about budgetary matters with some colleagues. Of course, "niggardly" means stingy or scanty. But within days, Howard was forced to publicly apologize and then resign.

As columnist Tony Snow wrote: "David Howard got fired because some people in public employ were morons who (a) didn’t know the meaning of ’niggardly,’ (b) don’t know how to use a dictionary to discover the meaning, and (c) actually demanded that he apologize for their ignorance."

Now, what does all of this mean? Among other things, it means that telling us what to think has evolved into telling us what to say, so telling us what to do can’t be far behind.Before you claim to be a champion of free thought, tell me: Why did political correctness originate on America’s campuses? And why do you continue to -- to tolerate it? Why do you, who’re supposed to debate ideas, surrender to their suppression?

Let -- Let’s be honest. Who here in this room thinks your professors can say what they really believe? (Uh-huh. There’s a few....) Well, that scares me to death, and it should scare you too, that the superstition of political correctness rules the halls of reason.

You are the best and the brightest. You, here in this fertile cradle of American academia, here in the castle of learning on the Charles River. You are the cream. But I submit that you and your counterparts across the land are the most socially conformed and politically silenced generation since Concord Bridge. And as long as you validate that and abide it, you are, by your grandfathers’ standards, cowards.

Here’s another example. Right now at more than one major university, Second Amendment scholars and researchers are being told to shut up about their findings or they’ll lose their jobs. But why? Because their research findings would undermine big-city mayors’ pending lawsuits that seek to extort hundreds of millions of dollars from firearm manufacturers.

Now, I don’t care what you think about guns. But if you are not shocked at that, I am shocked at you. Who will guard the raw material of unfettered ideas, if not you? Democracy is dialogue. Who will defend the core values of academia, if you, the supposed soldiers of free thought and expression lay down your arms and plead, "Don’t shoot me."

If you talk about race, it does not make you a racist. If you see distinctions between the genders, it does not make you sexist. If you think critically about a denomination, it does -- does not make you anti-religion. If you accept but don’t celebrate homosexuality, it does not make you a homophobe.

Don’t let America’s universities continue to serve as incubators for this rampant epidemic of new McCarthyism. That’s what it is: New McCarthyism.But, what can you do? How can anyone prevail against such pervasive social subjugation?

Well, the answer’s been here all along. I learned it 36 years ago, on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C., standing with Dr. Martin Luther King and two hundred thousand people.

You simply disobey. Peaceably, yes. Respectfully, of course. Nonviolently, absolutely. But when told how to think or what to say or how to behave, we don’t. We disobey the social protocol that stifles and stigmatizes personal freedom.

I learned the awesome power of disobedience from Dr. King who learned it from Gandhi, and Thoreau, and Jesus, and every other great man who led those in the right against those with the might.

Disobedience is in our DNA. We feel innate kinship with that disobedient spirit that tossed tea into Boston Harbor, that sent Thoreau to jail, that refused to sit in the back of the bus, that protested a war in Viet Nam.

In that same spirit, I’ m asking you to disavow cultural correctness with massive disobedience of rogue authority, social directives, and onerous laws that weaken personal freedom.

But be careful. It hurts. Disobedience demands that you put yourself at risk. Dr. King stood on lots of balconies. You must be willing to be humiliated, to endure the modern-day equivalent of the police dogs at Montgomery and the water Cannons at Selma. You must be willing to experience discomfort. Now, I’m not complaining, but my own decades of social activism have left their mark on me. Let me tell you a story.

A few years ago, I heard about a -- a rapper named Ice-T who was selling a CD called "Cop Killer," celebrating the ambushing and of murdering police officers. It was being marketed by none other than Time/Warner, the biggest entertainment conglomerate in the country -- in the world. Police across the country were outraged. And rightfully so. At least one of them had been murdered. But Time/Warner was stonewalling because the -- the CD was a cash cow for them, and the media were tiptoeing around because the rapper was black. I heard Time/Warner had a stockholders meeting scheduled in Beverly Hills, and I owned some shares of Time/Warner at the time, so I decided to attend the meeting.

What I did was against the advice of my family and my colleagues. I asked for the floor.To a hushed room of a thousand average American stockholders, I simply read the full lyrics of "Cop Killer" -- every vicious, vulgar, instructional word:

I got my 12-Gauge sawed-off. I got my headlights turned off. I’m about to bust some shots off. I’m about to dust some cops off.

It got worse, a lot worse. Now, I won’t read the rest of it to you. But trust me, the room was a sea of shocked, frozen, blanched faces. Time/Warner executives squirmed in their chairs and stared at their shoes. They hated me for that.Then I delivered another volley of sick lyrics brimming with racist filth, where Ice-T fantasizes about sodomizing the two 12-year-old nieces of Al and Tipper Gore:

She pushed her butt against my --

No. No, I won’t do to you here what I did to them. Let’s just say I left the room in stunned silence. When I read the lyrics to the waiting press corps outside, one of them said, "We can’t print that, you know." "I know," I said, "but Time/Warner is still selling it."

Two months later, Time/Warner terminated Ice-T’s contract. I’ll never be offered another film by Warner Brothers, or get a good review from Time magazine. But disobedience means you have to be willing to act, not just talk.

When a mugger sues his elderly victim for defending herself, jam the switchboard of the district attorney’s office. When your university is pressured -- your university -- is pressured to lower standards until 80% of the students graduate with honors, choke the halls of the Board of Regents. When an 8-year-old boy pecks a girl’s cheek on the playground and then gets hauled into court for sexual harassment, march on that school and block its doorways. When someone you elected is seduced by political power and betrays you -- petition them, oust them, banish them. When Time magazine’s cover portrays millennium nuts as deranged, crazy Christians holding a cross as it did last month, boycott their magazine and the products it advertises.

So that this nation may long endure, I urge you to follow in the hallowed footsteps of the great disobediences of history that freed exiles, founded religions, defeated tyrants, and yes, in the hands of an aroused rabble in arms and a few great men, by God’s grace, built this country.

If Dr. King were here, I think he would agree.

I thank you.
 

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Charlton Heston reciting lyrics from the "Body Count" album at a Time-Warner shareholders meeting? I think I just pissed myself laughing. Good on ya, Charlton. You are missed.

-ljp
 

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I drive by NRA HQ each day, and I saw that their flag has been flying at half mast.
Just thought I'd mention that.
:cry:
 

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longwatch wrote:
I drive by NRA HQ each day, and I saw that their flag has been flying at half mast.
Just thought I'd mention that.
:cry:

Wow....I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing that.

Whitefeather....that was awesome. Thank you for that also!
 

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longwatch wrote:
I drive by NRA HQ each day, and I saw that their flag has been flying at half mast.
Just thought I'd mention that.
:cry:
The NRA flag, or my National Ensign?
 

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I agree. He was a great actor and activists. He really stood his ground about our right to bear arms.

I wonder who's going to replace him to be NRA Chairman.
 

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Tomahawk wrote:
Citizen wrote:
longwatch wrote:
I drive by NRA HQ each day, and I saw that their flag has been flying at half mast.
Just thought I'd mention that.
:cry:
The NRA flag, or my National Ensign?
You have a national ensign? Is he Tim Conway?
National Ensign, while its a breach of flag etiquette its a good faith effort. McDonalds and car dealerships do worse everyday. OTOH is there perhaps another reason to fly it at half staff?

http://www1.va.gov/opa/feature/celebrate/halfstaf.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-staff
 

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From the UK: http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/brendan_oneill/2008/04/defending_freedom.html
Defending freedom
Charlton Heston was far more committed to liberty than the gun control liberals who turned him into their favourite whipping boy


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There was a time when Charlton Heston was known as the tall, rugged, old-style American who played great historical figures in great Hollywood movies: Moses, Ben-Hur, Michelangelo. He was also known as a warrior for civil rights and racial equality. Some of today's newspapers carry a snapshot of a young, dashing Heston picketing a whites-only restaurant in Oklahoma City in 1959, carrying a placard that said: "All men are created equal."

Towards the end of his life, however, he became better known as a cranky spokesman for the National Rifle Association, a wrinkled and possibly mad Marlboro Man who said the authorities would have to prize his beloved rifle from his "cold, dead hands". As today's Independent points out, younger cinema audiences will most likely know Heston from Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. The scene in which, in the Independent's words, Moore "lured Heston into playing a cameo as a rich, foolish old voice of reaction" still makes for uncomfortable viewing.

From great actor and progressive campaigner to reactionary old fart who loved guns: everyone agrees it was a tragic fall from grace. But did Heston really make a dramatic political u-turn? Actually, no. From the 1950s to the 1990s, he remained rather consistent in his commitment to upholding America's freedoms. It was his liberal critics in the gun control lobby on the east coast and in trendy parts of LA who changed their tune, and made a mad swing from liberalism to authoritarianism.

How gun control came to be seen as a liberal cause is one of life's great mysteries. In both the US and across Europe, fully paid-up lefties and progressives will tell you with pride, even pomposity, that the American authorities ought to disarm their populace and ban guns.

What a turnaround. Demanding gun control has traditionally been the preserve of reactionary, even racist elements in American society. Up until the 1980s, gun control was mostly a conservative campaign, driven by a conviction amongst right-leaning activists, politicians and lawmakers that ordinary people, especially those of the non-white variety, could not possibly be trusted with guns. Only the state, they believed, should have the right to use fatal physical force.

The revolutionary government of 1791 made the second amendment to the US constitution, insisting on the right of the citizenry to bear arms as a safeguard against oppressive government. Over the years, various state officials and legislators sought to restrict that right. In its earliest incarnation, gun control legislation was explicitly aimed at disarming black people. Following the Nat Turner's rebellion of 1831, when black rebels shot up white slave owners and freed their slaves, a rising fear of armed blacks led the state of Tennessee to alter its constitution. It changed the guarantee "that the freemen of this state have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence", to a guarantee "that the free white men of this state have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence".

In 1840, the North Carolina supreme court passed a statute decreeing: "That if any free negro, mulatto, or free person of colour, shall wear or carry about his or her person, or keep in his or her house, any shot gun, musket, rifle, pistol, sword, dagger or bowie-knife ... he or she shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and may be indicted therefore." This law did not apply to whites - only black or mixed-race people.

In the 1890s, Florida also passed race-specific gun control laws. In 1941, Justice Burford, a judge in the supreme court in Florida, overturned a conviction for carrying a handgun without a permit on the basis that the state's original gun control statutes had a racial basis. "I know something of the history of this legislation", he said. "The act was passed for the purpose of disarming the negro labourers ... and to give the white citizens in sparsely settled areas a better feeling of security. The statute was never intended to be applied to the white population and in practice has never been so applied."

At the turn of the 20th century, gun control became a fashionable conservative cause again - in response to an influx of immigration from eastern and southern Europe. New local restrictions on gun ownership were passed, such as the 1911 Sullivan law in New York City, in order to prevent the strange newcomers from getting their hands on weaponry. As Gary Kleck points out in his book Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America, gun control was anything but a liberal cause back then: "In the 19th and early 20th century, gun control laws were often targeted at blacks in the south and foreign-born in the north."

Throughout the twentieth century, too, gun control tended to rise to the top of the political priority pile when the authorities feared that certain communities were getting out of control. The Gun Control Act of 1968 was ostensibly passed in response to assassinations of Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King, but its real targets were inner-city black communities where there had been violent riots for three summers running, and where some black activists were beginning to arm themselves. That is why the act specifically targeted cheap imported pistols, such as the "Saturday night special"; in other words, the affordable guns of the black ghetto.

In the 1990s, Bill Clinton, recognising that gun control was mutating into a liberal concern, began to talk about assault rifles as the great evil of modern America. Who tended to own assault rifles? "Drug dealers, street gang members and other violent criminals", as the administration put it. These are long-established codewords in polite political circles for blacks and latinos. Whatever you think of the NRA (I am not a fan), it is hard to disagree with their observation that: "The historical purpose of gun control laws in America has been one of discrimination and disenfranchisement of blacks, immigrants and other minorities." They have also been used to "disarm and facilitate repressive actions against union organisers [and] workers."

There is nothing remotely liberal in demanding that the state should have a monopoly on the use of force over the rest of the population. Liberals have cast off the overtly racial lingo of yesteryear's gun control campaigns - today it is their powerful sense of disconnection from everyday American society that leads them to believe that people with guns are automatically dangerous and demented individuals.

Whatever his motives, whatever underpinned his passion for guns, Charlton Heston, in demanding equal treatment for blacks in the 1950s and later calling for everyone to have the right to bear arms, was a better representative of the spirit of American equality than any of those gun control campaigners who turned him into their favourite redneck whipping boy. You don't have to be a friend of the NRA or a supporter of the senseless shootings in America's poorer communities to oppose gun control. You just have to have some healthy trust in the American people and some healthy distrust of the American state - both qualities that liberals in America and Europe seem to lack today.
 

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Charleton Heston spent years and years supporting freedom on quite an impressive variety of ways. He spoke the truth and he used words - and actions - to underpin his strong and positive opinions. May he rest in peace and may the rest of us live better lives because he walked among us.
 
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