Chris Kyle Murdered

[Beretta92FSLady]

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and killing hussein and bin laden.

i am surprised i have never heard anyone blame america for hitler.

Hitler did have the support of America, Americans, and American Business.

 

[eye95]

"I'm right and you're wrong." as well as "Nynnya, nynnya, nynnya." There! That proves it.

stay safe.

Oh, yeah?
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Have you noticed that the did-not-did-too continues? What a joke.

On edit: Don't you just love the lack of evidence being used as evidence?!?!

 

[Ca Patriot]

Hitler did have the support of America, Americans, and American Business.

really ? can you elaborate.....

 

[eye95]

The progressive movement in America was enamored of the fascists...

initially.

 

[Grapeshot]

Gentleman, ladies if you please, back on topic. A number of post are extremely off topic and may have to be edited/deleted if we are to avoid thread lock.

No more please - back on topic.

 

[OC for ME]

I absolutely do not live willingly in that empire.

I want it stopped/gone!

I discovered in the last five years or so that empire existed and had thrust itself upon me. It was here before I was born. It has lied to me about its justifications for existence and its operations since I was old enough to listen. It leeches my produce and the produce of my countrymen to maintain itself, driving us into crushing debt and economic ruin. Almost everything about it is illegitimate.

This is my home. I do not owe the empire and its operators to leave it. Just the opposite--they owe it to me and us to cease or leave.

You do not owe the empire, true, but the empire does not compel you to remain. We are all free to leave if we so desire.

Need more facts. But, it seems that Mr. Kyle may have violated the law by providing (enabling) access to firearms to a person who is documented to be mentally unstable.

 

[Ca Patriot]

You do not owe the empire, true, but the empire does not compel you to remain. We are all free to leave if we so desire.

Need more facts. But, it seems that Mr. Kyle may have violated the law by providing (enabling) access to firearms to a person who is documented to be mentally unstable.

I believe the law says that a person has to be a threat to himself or to others.

People who have mental illnesses are allowed to own, possess and use firearms.

 

[marshaul]

We are all free to leave if we so desire.

Irrelevant. "You're free to move" is a justification for precisely nothing.

 

[Citizen]

SNIP You do not owe the empire, true, but the empire does not compel you to remain. We are all free to leave if we so desire.

First, we're not all free to leave. Its an economic question that can be very expensive. There are lots and lots and lots of people who cannot afford to leave. Do you know what it can cost to expatriate?

But, even if I can leave, this is my home. It is the criminals running the empire who need to leave. Your logic is saying that when the mob moves into a New Jersey neighborhood, the residents should leave if they don't like it, rather than kick out the mob.

 

[eye95]

First, we're not all free to leave. Its an economic question that can be very expensive...

I detest this argument. It is often used by the left to justify "rights" to jobs and healthcare. That there is a cost (even a huge one) to exercising a right does not make it any less of a right.

You have a Right to Life. Life is expensive. You still have the Right.

You have the Right to Liberty. I'm sure some of the choices you make cost a lot. You still have the Right.

You have the Right to Property. Property, of course, costs money. We are restricted in the amount of property we can buy based on the money we have. You still have the Right.

You have the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Those little bits of metal are expensive. And they constantly need to be fed other expensive little bits of metal. You still have the Right.

Expense, as a function of the Free Market and not imposed by a government, does not infringe on Rights. It does force us to make choices. But, when you have Rights, one of the perks is getting to make choices. Actually, that is the point.

 

[marshaul]

I detest this argument. It is often used by the left to justify "rights" to jobs and healthcare. That there is a cost (even a huge one) to exercising a right does not make it any less of a right.

...SNIP...

Expense, as a function of the Free Market and not imposed by a government, does not infringe on Rights. It does force us to make choices. But, when you have Rights, one of the perks is getting to make choices. Actually, that is the point.

Nice strawman. Not only that, it's a intentional conflation of two unrelated claims.

There is one difference which is so great as to render this argument misleading and irrelevant: it does not require redistribution of wealth for me to simply not move. I'm not demanding you give me anything. I'm asking that you leave me alone.

Of course, I'm entirely serious when I say that, for eye95, simply leaving me alone is unacceptable. He fully believes, in the fashion of the most statist progressives, that he possesses the right to arbitrarily curtail the freedoms of others, so long as his agenda is shared by the whims of a political majority (except those "freedoms" our benevolent SCOTUS has seen fit to bestow – those are the alpha and omega of liberty), and if you don't like it, well then clearly you should move to California with all the other socialists.

What he's saying is akin to, "it's OK for me to rob you, because you might be able to afford a gun to stop me! In fact, really, I'm giving you a choice you wouldn't have needed to make if I didn't attack you, which is the best part about rights anyway. So really you should thank me, you detestable parasite!"

 

[beebobby]

Now it seems that the shooter was just released from a mental health facility the week before. He definately should not have had access to a firearm, regardless of the location or company. His sister has also come out as knowing that he was psychotic.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Now it seems that the shooter was just released from a mental health facility the week before. He definately should not have had access to a firearm, regardless of the location or company. His sister has also come out as knowing that he was psychotic.

I believe current federal laws state a person has to be committed to forfeit firearm rights. Not sure about that states laws. There are a lot of reasons people can be in a mental health facility, such as eating disorders. Only people who are clearly dangerous should have their rights infringed, and then they should be locked up. If they are not safe they should not be released.

There is no such thing as Utopia or Camelot, sacrificing liberty for either is downright stupid.

 

[OC for ME]

First, we're not all free to leave. Its an economic question that can be very expensive. There are lots and lots and lots of people who cannot afford to leave. Do you know what it can cost to expatriate?

But, even if I can leave, this is my home. It is the criminals running the empire who need to leave. Your logic is saying that when the mob moves into a New Jersey neighborhood, the residents should leave if they don't like it, rather than kick out the mob.

Of course we are all free to leave, to exercise our individual liberty. Who prevents you from leaving? The empire? I think not. You have chosen not to leave. Just as I have chosen to not leave. The empire has not restricted your liberty in this regard.

Regarding my logic, the empire did not move into that New Jersey neighborhood, the residents desire the empire to be present. The mob is not the empire. I do concede that the mob and the empire do share many of the same attributes.

 

[marshaul]

Of course we are all free to leave, to exercise our individual liberty. Who prevents you from leaving? The empire? I think not. You have chosen not to leave. Just as I have chosen to not leave. The empire has not restricted your liberty in this regard.

It hasn't?

What do you call drivers licensure, sales takes, property tax, gas tax, car tax, speed traps, zoning regulations, overregulated airline industry, the TSA, restrictions on moving property such as firearms, an intentionally sabotaged economy, etc etc etc? Assistance?

 

[Citizen]

It hasn't?

What do you call drivers licensure, sales takes, property tax, gas tax, car tax, speed traps, zoning regulations, overregulated airline industry, the TSA, restrictions on moving property such as firearms, an intentionally sabotaged economy, etc etc etc? Assistance?

Things to overlook while trying to blame Americans for the behavior of the government.

 

[Citizen]

Now it seems that the shooter was just released from a mental health facility the week before. He definately should not have had access to a firearm, regardless of the location or company. His sister has also come out as knowing that he was psychotic.

If true, it sounds like pretty good proof that psychiatry and psychology can't cure anything.

 

[WalkingWolf]

It hasn't?

What do you call drivers licensure, sales takes, property tax, gas tax, car tax, speed traps, zoning regulations, overregulated airline industry, the TSA, restrictions on moving property such as firearms, an intentionally sabotaged economy, etc etc etc? Assistance?

Have you ever considered cutting back the caffeine?

 

[marshaul]

Have you ever considered cutting back the caffeine?

I'm glad to see my phraseology had the desired effect.

 

[OC for ME]

It hasn't?

What do you call drivers licensure, sales takes, property tax, gas tax, car tax, speed traps, zoning regulations, overregulated airline industry, the TSA, restrictions on moving property such as firearms, an intentionally sabotaged economy, etc etc etc? Assistance?

No the empire has not.

One would need step back from material concerns and see that the empire is not restricting your liberty....too much. I am in complete agreement regarding the burden the government places on us today to exercise our liberties to the maximum extent possible under the law. But I do not concede the point that we as citizens have no choice what so ever in this matter, or that events have given us no other options.

I have no restrictions place upon me regarding the movement of my property, such as firearms.

If you do not speed then a speed trap will not affect you. or learn where speed traps are typically set and avoid them.

I do not use fly.

I make do as best I can given this economy, and I vote. I work to inform my neighbors regarding the economy. Once they are informed they typically reject Big Government and they too will vote.

Zoning regulations are of little concern to me at this time. In the future, who knows.

I tend to focus my energies on concerns that are closer to home.

To each their own.