Discount NRA Memberships and Renewals for OCDO

[Thundar]

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There are two side of the NRA. They have a decent firearms safety course. They have a horrible political action committee.

Theynever compromise on firearms safety, but they always compromise on the right to keep and bear arms.

 

[Guest]

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DonTreadOnMe wrote:

Above question of why not support Palin is for GnGKlinger...not for Huffman.

GnGKlinger, so why not support a ticket that could end up putting Palin in the white house if you support her??

I know I would love to see her win.

I would too. My problem is that there's just WAYYYYYYY too high (like higher than ZERO) of a chance that he would make it through the full term.

Id love to have her as pres....but I cant vote for him and hope she becomes the pres by default. Just caint.

 

[Flintlock]

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Slayer of Paper wrote:

While McCain hasn't been a much of a supporter of gun rights, I believe he is far less of a threat than Obama, and I'm not delusional enough to believe that any other candidate has a snowball's chance in hell of winning. If Obama wins, I believe there WILL be another assault weapons ban that will include hundreds more weapons and will not have a sunset clause. Maybe YOU have all of the guns that would be banned under such a law, but I don't, so I very much need for there NOT to be a new assault weapons ban.

I thank the NRA for it's efforts, and Tacomatose's generous offer. I will renew my membership at full price, however.

Does the GOA actually go after anti gun politicians, or do they spend all of their money attacking the NRA? I know I haven't seen any of their ads.

Obama is not the biggest threat to gun owners, in my opinion. It is fellow gun owners that are willing to compromise away our rights. It is avery difficult propositionto destroy the "gun community" by overtly attacking it. If I was an anti-gun zealot, I would work to destroy it from the inside-out.

 

[Flintlock]

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Flyer22 wrote:

mark edward marchiafava wrote:

Slayer of Paper and others: it's not our duty to vote for someone who has the best chance of winning or is the lesser of many evils. No, ours is to ALWAYS do that which is right, consequences be damned.

Well, I sure am glad that you weren't a member of the Constitutional Convention. I suppose you would have voted against the Constitution because of the slavery compromises, and thus there never would have been a vehicle available for the 2A at all.

Being that your enumerated rights are simply listed in a constitution, it appears that you may have come to the realization that the document is some sort of permission slip. Your right to bear arms pre-dated and pre-existed any constitution. It is not a vehicle for your rights, but it is a vehicle for government powers.

 

[Flintlock]

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Slayer of Paper wrote:

mark edward marchiafava wrote:

Slayer of Paper and others: it's not our duty to vote for someone who has the best chance of winning or is the lesser of many evils. No, ours is to ALWAYS do that which is right, consequences be damned.

I strenuously disagree. I believe it is our duty to whatever it takes to protect our right to keep and bear arms, because when we lose that, we lose the only means we have to protect the rest of our rights.

If they've taken away our guns, it's going to be a pretty short and disappointing second revolution.

You will be voting for a man that desires to end gun shows as we know them. Gun shows have beena vehicle to accumulate many of the fine items that I own today and they arean important part of the so-called gun-culture and a place where many like-minded people get-together and develop shooting partners and friendships.

I don't see how you would be protecting your rights by voting for someone who wants to close the so-called "gunshow loophole." If you want to protect your rights, become active with grassroots organizations, teach people the truth, teach them to shoot, and strenuously write your elected represenatives.

Lastly, the 2nd amendment is vital, but so are the other parts of the constitution. Going down the party line every election is resulting in theerosion ofour rights faster than any gun bill that has come our way in recent times.

 

[Flintlock]

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HankT wrote:

Thundar wrote:

No JPFO spends a lot of energy trying to point out the two faced tactic of the NRA.

GOA is focused upon gun rights. Often gets results in court.

You see the NRA is an ends justify the means organisation. Too bad they are not principled and forthright.

If you care about results, then consider this.

There are between 220 and 270 million guns in the United States. Far more than any country on earth. Even after decades of strong political pushes for severe regulation by the populus.

Those millions of guns didn't get here because of the GOA.

Hank, the sad fact of the matter is that if the NRA did what they were supposed to do and not continually compromise our rights in the legislature and in court, we wouldn't have the existence of somany other pro-gun organizations that are focused on liberty. We wouldn't have ever needed them. Without them now, I shiverto even think about how much more our rights would have been negotiated away over the last 100 years.

 

[Slayer of Paper]

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Flintlock wrote:

Slayer of Paper wrote:

mark edward marchiafava wrote:

Slayer of Paper and others: it's not our duty to vote for someone who has the best chance of winning or is the lesser of many evils. No, ours is to ALWAYS do that which is right, consequences be damned.

I strenuously disagree. I believe it is our duty to whatever it takes to protect our right to keep and bear arms, because when we lose that, we lose the only means we have to protect the rest of our rights.

If they've taken away our guns, it's going to be a pretty short and disappointing second revolution.

You will be voting for a man that desires to end gun shows as we know them. Gun shows have beena vehicle to accumulate many of the fine items that I own today and they arean important part of the so-called gun-culture and a place where many like-minded people get-together and develop shooting partners and friendships.

I don't see how you would be protecting your rights by voting for someone who wants to close the so-called "gunshow loophole." If you want to protect your rights, become active with grassroots organizations, teach people the truth, teach them to shoot, and strenuously write your elected represenatives.

Lastly, the 2nd amendment is vital, but so are the other parts of the constitution. Going down the party line every election is resulting in theerosion ofour rights faster than any gun bill that has come our way in recent times.

You'll notice those posts (this one and the one you quoted in another post) were made a couple of weeks of ago, or more.

I have since become enlightened, and am now a revolutionary. If you read my posts in some of the other threads, I'm sure you'll be in more agreement with them than in these.

I'm voting for Bob Barr, because he's the only candidate running that I feel I can cast my vote FOR, as opposed to casting a vote against someone else. Not that it will matter, since our wonderful electoral college system ensures that my vote won't make any difference, anyway.

 

[Doug Huffman]

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My hope and prayer is that the major-party bosses will see the shift to the right - as in correct - and react affirmatively to bring about a revolution of some sort. If not, that's OK too and the revolution can start on its own.

 

[mark edward marchiafava]

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I cannot find one example of a dictatorship voluntarily returning people's rights to them and relinquishing control, other than by force or threat of force. As much as I'd LIKE to see a peaceful restoration of rights, odds are it isn't going to happen.

 

[Doug Huffman]

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Hence, "my prayer."

 

[Guest]

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mark edward marchiafava wrote:

I cannot find one example of a dictatorship voluntarily returning people's rights to them and relinquishing control, other than by force or threat of force. As much as I'd LIKE to see a peaceful restoration of rights, odds are it isn't going to happen.

Any speculation if thats what Biden was talking about when he was asking the Libs to stay with him in 6-12 months??

 

[1st freedom]

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This is a letter from the Executive Director of the Illinois State Rifle Association that may be of interest, not that most of us here didn'talready knew this.



[align=left]Fellow Sportsman,[/align]

[align=left]Hello, my name is Rich Pearson and I have been active in the firearm rights movement for over 40 years. For the past 15 years, I have served in the Illinois state capitol as the chief lobbyist for the Illinois State Rifle Association.[/align]

[align=left]I lobbied Barack Obama extensively while he was an Illinois State Senator. As a result of that experience, I know Obama’s attitudes toward guns and gun owners better than anyone. The truth be told, in all my years in the Capitol I have never met a legislator who harbors more contempt for the law-abiding firearm owner than Barack Obama.[/align]

[align=left]Although Obama claims to be an advocate for the 2nd Amendment, his voting record in the Illinois Senate paints a very different picture. While a state senator, Obama voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners and forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month.[/align]

[align=left]Without a doubt, Barack Obama has proven himself to be an enemy of the law abiding firearm owner. At the same time, Obama has proven himself to be a friend to the hardened criminal. While a state senator, Obamavoted 4 times against legislation that would allow a homeowner to use a firearm in defense of home and family.[/align]

[align=left]Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a “friend” of the law-abiding gun owner?And speaking of friends, you can always tell a person by the company they keep. Obama counts among his friends the Rev. Michael Pfleger - a renegade Chicago priest who has openly called for the murder of gun shop owners and pro-gun legislators. Then there is his buddy Richard Daley, the mayor of Chicago who has declared that if it were up to him, nobody would be allowed to own a gun. And let’s not forget Obama’s pal George Soros - the guy who has pumped millions of dollars into the UN’s international effort to disarm law-abiding citizens.[/align]

[align=left]Obama has shown that he is more than willing to use other people’s money to fund his campaign to take your guns away from you. While a board member of the leftist Joyce Foundation, Barack Obama wrote checks for tens of millions of dollars to extremist gun control organizations such as the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence and the Violence Policy Center.[/align]

[align=left]Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a “friend” of the law-abiding gun owner?[/align]

[align=left]By now, I’m sure that many of you have received mailings from an organization called “American Hunters and Shooters Association(AHSA)” talking about what a swell fellow Obama is and how he honors the 2nd Amendment and how you will never have to worry about Obama coming to take your guns. Let me make it perfectly clear - everything the AHSA says about Obama is pure hogwash. The AHSA is headed by a group of left-wing elitists who subscribe to the British view of hunting and shooting. That is, a state of affairs where hunting and shooting are reserved for the wealthy upper-crust who can afford guided hunts on exclusive private reserves. The AHSA is not your friend, never will be.[/align]

[align=left]In closing, I’d like to remind you that I’m a guy who has actually gone nose to nose with Obama on gun rights issues. The Obama I know cannot even begin to identify with this nation’s outdoor traditions. The Obama I know sees you, the law abiding gun owner, as nothing but a low-class lummox who is easily swayed by the flash of a smile and a ration of rosy rhetoric. The Obama I know is a stony-faced liar who has honed his skill at getting what he wants - so long as people are willing to give it to him.[/align]

[align=left]That’s the Barack Obama I know[/align]

[align=left]Sincerely[/align]
[align=left](original signed)[/align]
[align=left]Richard A. Pearson[/align]
[align=left]Executive Director[/align]
[align=left]Illinois State Rifle Association[/align]Open Letter to Sportsmen:10/10/08age 2

 

[rodbender]

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So, can you tell me something I didn't already know? Thanks, some people need to read this. Hello Dungy and Dookie