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My wife and I carry, and carried for years. I grew up with OC, being on a ranch and protecting livestock. We carried rifles most of the time as well.
My wife and I then moved to the city, back east, and promptly got CC permits. What changed was our personal protection factor went up (way up). Once we had kids, it was kicked a notch upwards even more, and we have had some close calls that were prevented by being aware of our surroundings.
We have since relocated back to Montana, and have a ranch with livestock again. We primarily OC around the ranch here. I usually OC during the summer (going to town) as you just want to wear less clothing, and I carry OWB. During the fall/winter I am CC since you have more clothing. While our view of needing it for personal protection is less than when we were in the city, Montana is not the place it used to be, or at least the way that I perceived it.
-CZ
Montana is not the place it used to be, or at least the way that I perceived it.
....that the only reason you OC is to try and get a negative reaction?
Now before any of you get all defensive let me state my case. I'm a military veteran and currently work in law enforcement, I have been around weapons my entire life and completely support the rights we are entitled to. I was introduced to this forums several weeks ago and have been reading posts almost daily since then. In my opinion, the majority of people on here are level headed and don't OC just to get a negative reaction but I've read posts that either subtly or overtly talk about going somewhere looking for someone to "step all over my rights".
Do you think those people give OC a bad name....and really is it something to brag about? I'm sure us CCW folks will be getting an earload of crap after the latest Grey Poupon incident. I'm sure you've all heard the argument of OC and being the initial target if something were to happen....what is your argument aside from OC being a deterrent? How many of you that OC also have your CCW?
I don't have a CCW, so I OC. I carry for the protection of my family and myself.GeneticsDave wrote:sfemti33 wrote:I wasn't being condescending... and why reinvent the wheel? Read it if you want, if not, don't.Instead of citing someone elses work why dont YOU tell me why my logic is flawed, in a less condescending, talking down to kind of way. Remember, Im an adult.
I read it and it has several valid points, but there's also a counter point that is just as valid to nearly every point he makes.
But back to my original questions. Open carry....why do you personally do it? Because you can, because it's a deterrent, because you are looking for someone to step on your rights? Do you think that those people who do OC just to look for someone to violate their rights are a help or a hindrance? Do you have your CC?
Ok. Do you not have a CCW because you see no need for it? Or what is your reasoning, not trying to argue, just seems like having one in the plug would be more useful since you have to be "legally unloaded" to OC w/o CC.I don't have a CCW, so I OC. I carry for the protection of my family and myself.
UTOC-45-44 wrote:Well ok, so for those who DONT have a CCW, why not? Any particular reason?sfemti33 wrote:
I believe he is not old enough to get a CCW yet hence the ONLY way to carry is to OC.
TJ
You mean that they ARE of age and still DO NOT have a permit ? Is that your Q?
They just don;'t want Government involvement more than neccesary in life and to OC WITHOUT a permit is a CONSTITUTIONALLY protected RIGHT.
To have a CFP is a PRIVILEGE by the State/Government.
TJ
Yes, that is my question. So do you speak for everyone on this board, or can anyone else tell me reasons why you wouldnt want a CCW besides "government involvement"? I understand its a Constitutionally protected right, you dont need to use all CAPS. Im trying to understand what each individuals motivation is. Really dont want to get into a debate, this is purely observational at this point for me. I have had a CCW for 5 years, Im in Law Enforcement, Im just a curious lurker.:shock:
So do you speak for everyone on this board
Off on another tangent, I wonder if each and every one of you exercise your "rights" on a daily basis as well. Do you "peacably assemble" every time you go out of your house?1st amendment also states you have the right to "free exercise of religion", do you display proudly on your shirt every time you walk out of your house what religion you may be? LDS, Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, do you openly display that? And if you DONT do that every day, why not? Is there a caste system with regards to how "important" your rights are? Has each and every one of you voted in EVERY election since you were 18, another right given you? If you do, I applaud you for securing and using every one of your rights daily. I wish I had the character to do that, all I can say is I am trying. But if you dont, why are you making the sticking point firearms? Doesnt that make it a bit hypocritical if you assert your "rights" on one thing all the time, but not your others? Hell, it even makes me hypocritical if I want to use one right or another. Where does it end? Or begin for that matter?