DoJ Emergency CCW Rules approved!

[rcav8r]

On a side note here, I mentioned I'm willing to sign the recall petition on walker.

However, I think there is no chance in hell the recall effort will the the 500K+ votes needed for the recall election. Even with a few thousand angry gun owners adding on, if that.

But I will give walker his chance to make things right. He's got about 3 months to do that before the petition is supposed to be submitted. Maybe I'll cool down in that time, or maybe he'll do the right thing for gun owners. I don't know.

 

[BROKENSPROKET]

On a side note here, I mentioned I'm willing to sign the recall petition on walker.

However, I think there is no chance in hell the recall effort will the the 500K+ votes needed for the recall election. Even with a few thousand angry gun owners adding on, if that.

But I will give walker his chance to make things right. He's got about 3 months to do that before the petition is supposed to be submitted. Maybe I'll cool down in that time, or maybe he'll do the right thing for gun owners. I don't know.

They can file the paperwork and start collecting signatures next month.

 

[mrjam2jab]

How about a recall petition on Van Hollen?

 

[jrclen]

How about a recall petition on Van Hollen?

I'll sign that.

 

[NewZealandAmerican]

Newsflash. This little political theater everyone subscribes to is not working.

Question:
How is it working out for us so far?

Amen to that, the same old phoney left vs right paradigm, Republicrazies & Democrazies, leftwing vs rightwing, always attached to the same old sick bird. 2 sides, same coin. One big tyrannical disgrace to our Republic! They all do the same thing, try to micro manage and control every aspect and detail of your life from cradle to grave while squeezing and stealing from you of your substance while feeding you more and more fuzzy feel good lies telling you how great things are or are going to be as they jamn the red white and blue up your arse. It's really the State vs YOU!

 

[NewZealandAmerican]

(Hardballer) This is truly sad. This is like a bunch of subservient, pathetic beggars coming to the head thief in charge, asking; "Please Sir, may I have another bowl of gruel...?" The rat bast...s screwed us. Right where the sun don't shine and we got all giggly, like we actually got something. What we got was government intervention where it clearly is not needed, inconvenience in the extreme, exclusion for a large part of the population, more taxes, more government control and the 2nd amendment still reads "shall not be infringed."

There are only a few here who know how I feel 'cause they feel the same way. This is all BS. We should be running these Pieces of excrement out of town on a rail. Instead, we're begging them for crumbs. Do what you want. Just don't play like we don't know what really happened here. None of it was good. I don't compare the tyranny that I live under to anyone else. I compare it to the Constitution of the United States of America. We had constitutional carry. Pretty well sorted out. Just needed the ban on car carry lifted and a few other inconveniences.

Now, we've got big brother in our business and our wallets. Why, because we did not stand as one and make our will the law of the land. In my opinion, Walker did more damage then any liberal could have. Thanks for nuthin'![/QUOTE]

We don't need no stinkin permission. We are either sovereigns or slaves. These bastards are our servants (employees) We are the MASTER, let's treat them as such! "Down With Big Brother" by Jimmie Vaughan

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The video is a little dated i know, referring to Bush. BTW a better alternative radio (Freedom) news source as opposed to InfoWars.com you see advertised in the video is http://www.MikeChambersLive.com and Mike is on the http://www.OracleBroadcasting.com radio network! 11a to 3p Central Mon to Fri

 

[LaBomba]

Emergency means Emergency.... There is plenty of time to fix them after November 1st.

That's the problem. The average rulemaking in Wisconsin is 18 months, start to finish -- if the rule isn't controversial. Controversial rules take longer. This one will be controversial.

Walker says there wasn't time for DOJ to fix the rule???! It would have taken a competent secretary 3 minutes to fix the emergency rule by axing the certificate and hours of training nonsense. DOJ could then put that stuff back in its proposed permanent rule and take it to public hearing.

They've given CC all the thrilling momentum of a gleaming, stainless steel anvil....And they obviously like it that way.

 

[theoicarry]

Everyone who has one should use the hunter safety certificate to apply for the permit. That was included in the legislation to protect us against just this sort of thing. Take any course you want, but use hunter safety to apply. The more who do, the louder the message we send.

My question is if all we use is our hunter safety certificate, what happens when the rules (if any) require additional training? Are we exempt? Plus if signatures are required on the hunter safety, that will not work for me as I know two of the instructors have passed on. I have taken an CCW course and very glad I did as it was something I wanted to do for myself. I was on top of all of this at one time but have been lost with all of this government crap.
Any ideas on this?

 

[MKEgal]

How about a recall petition on Van Hollen?

Yes!

On a separate topic, I know we have members who are hunter safety instructors.
How hard would it be to set up classes for WI Carry / OCDO members in the next couple weeks, so we could all have HS - which is, as many have pointed out, the only thing they can't mess with, since it's spelled out extremely clearly in the new law.

(If it's like boating safety, it would require a warden to speak w/ the class, which would be a limiting factor.)
Next question would be how long does it take DNR to send certificates? Would it be worth waiting a couple weeks to mail in a cc permit application in order to have unquestionable training AND make a point?

 

[mrjam2jab]

My question is if all we use is our hunter safety certificate, what happens when the rules (if any) require additional training? Are we exempt? Plus if signatures are required on the hunter safety, that will not work for me as I know two of the instructors have passed on. I have taken an CCW course and very glad I did as it was something I wanted to do for myself. I was on top of all of this at one time but have been lost with all of this government crap.
Any ideas on this?

It seems that the HS cert stands as is...no special "requirements" for that one.

 

[rcav8r]

They can file the paperwork and start collecting signatures next month.

Article in the paper said they will start November 13th, IIRC, and file it in Jan.

 

[markush]

Are these emergency rules on the web somewhere? I recall reading a post (not sure which forum) that said the emergency rules are 41 pages long...was he just talking out his arse?

 

[Herr Heckler Koch]

Are these emergency rules on the web somewhere?

Here attached

 

[TheManInBlack]

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vanhollenjb@doj.state.wi.us

Just thought I'd throw that out there.. lol

 

[mrjam2jab]

direct link [url]http://www.scribd.com/doc/67948352/Attorney-General-rules-on-concealed-carry-licenses[/URL]

 

[oak1971]

Why on earth does it have to be a Republicant?????

We have been willing participants in their (both parties) political theater for long enough.

Take a look around. It ain't working anymore.

As bad as the Republicans are hosing us, the Dems have been hijacked by the radical leftists. They would have you disarmed and working the collective farm while they sip vodka in their dachas. Until we have a viable 3 rd party, we are stuck with the GOP. It stinks to high heaven, but there isn't a way around it. Of course, by the time a 3rd party gets any traction, the Anarchists and Socialists will be burning down the country. :banghead:

 

[markush]

scratch this...I made it it's own thread

 

[Nutczak]

The way I see it...........................

Since I know I will pass any background check because I legally own and have purchased from several FFA dealers, I plan on sending in a check in excess of the proper amount needed for a permit, so it arrives before November 1st, and I will carry a copy of my WI Hunters Safety certificate with me. What do you think will happen if I am to be found with a concealed firearm in my possession?

The law specifically reads that it takes effect November 1st, 2011 not before, not after! We are supposed to already have permits in our hot little hands on that date!! Is it my fault the DOJ has a severe case of "Cranial Rectulitis" and could not get their schitt together on time? They do not make the laws, they are tasked to enforce them only.

The change in laws takes affect on the 1st of next month, and I will be carryinbg concealed outside of my home and business on that same date, I see this as very winnable in court. So "F" them!! I have been waiting 26 years for this, and I am not waiting a single day after the law change happens.

 

[Outdoorsman1]

Since I know I will pass any background check because I legally own and have purchased from several FFA dealers, I plan on sending in a check in excess of the proper amount needed for a permit, so it arrives before November 1st, and I will carry a copy of my WI Hunters Safety certificate with me. What do you think will happen if I am to be found with a concealed firearm in my possession?

The law specifically reads that it takes effect November 1st, 2011 not before, not after! We are supposed to already have permits in our hot little hands on that date!! Is it my fault the DOJ has a severe case of "Cranial Rectulitis" and could not get their schitt together on time? They do not make the laws, they are tasked to enforce them only.

The change in laws takes affect on the 1st of next month, and I will be carryinbg concealed outside of my home and business on that same date, I see this as very winnable in court. So "F" them!! I have been waiting 26 years for this, and I am not waiting a single day after the law change happens.

I could be wrong but I think some where the law says something about concealed carry being legal only WITH a permit... I know the law takes effect on Nov. 1 but it also says something about the DOJ has 45 days after Nov. 1 to start issuing the permits. One of the changes that will be legal after Nov. 1 is the loaded carry in a vehicle thing. Open Carriers will no longer have to do the dance every time they enter a vehicle as well as open carry on a boat and other vehicles will also be legal. I am sure there are other changes that will become legal after Nov. 1 but can't think of them now. But I a pretty sure "Concealed Carry" without an actual permit will noy be one of them.

I know how you feel. I fell the same way about the change in Statute 167.31 making loaded and holstered on the hip in a vehicle legal after Nov. 1 and now some are saying, NO, it has to be visible from outside the vehicle (mounting a holster on the dash)... After Nov. 1 I will be carrying per the new Act 35 Statute 167.31 as in loaded and holstered on my hip... If I end up being a test case on this issue then so be it. I have waited long enough to carry that way (unnessesary additional 4 month wait AFTER Gov. Walker signed the BIll) and strongly feel that a holstered firearm on the dash will draw more negative attention from the general public (not to mention BG's or LEO's) so After 12 AM on Nov. 1st, I will be taking the risk of (open) carrying in a vehicle per Act 35.

As I am an open carrier and will continue to open carry after I get the WI permit, I will be getting it for the GFSZ thing, and to not have to worry if my jacket inadvertently covers my sidearm and I guess because it will cover the holstered on the hip in a vehicle thing.

Edited to add: Granted I ahve not been waiting anywhere even close to 26 years...

Outdoorsman1

 

[Nutczak]

Nowhere in the bill/law did it say the weapon has to be viewable from outside of the vehicle, whoever is saying that is reading too far into the law and making up their own imagined rules based from someplace in fantasy world.