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demnogis wrote:
Keep in mind this is all in the spirit of good discussion -- not an angry argument. Looking forward to your response.
Paladin4CA wrote:
Paladin4CA wrote:
Demnogis,
I'll reply to your post tomorrow night. Just skimming over it, it seems like a thoughtful post so I want to do it justice.
P4CA
Sorry, but two new work projects landed on my desk, so I can't interact w/your post tonight. Hopefully, I'll be able to this weekend.
Later,
P4CA
Just skimmed over some of the other replies.
1) still see none of the principled, liberty-loving defenders of the Constitution are
LOCing -- guess they're still sell-outs, compromised, hypocrites, unworthy of being citizens of this great Republic, should lick the boots of their masters, yadda, yadda, yadda
2) I see that the number of OCDO members who posted that they've taken action against AB1934 is -- well, I'll be generous -- "less" than the thousands (tens of thousands would be better) of participants needed to stop it
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=42555&forum_id=12
3) still see that
none of the ... I won't even bother describing them again, see point #1 above ... "people" who won't stand down from *group meetups* have put into escrow the
tens of thousands of dollars we'll need to fight this in court after
McDonald.
4) I see that some UOCers have entered a discussion/debate over at CGN (
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=292248), so I'll assume Gene, Bill, and others will explain to those who join in why the group meetups should stop for this month and next
5) I skimmed that CGN thread and see that Gene says that Shall Issue is still alive, but OC litigation will be knocked way down in priority/put on the backburner by the presumed passage of AB1934 caused by those UOCers "too pure, too principled" to stand down. But of course, CGN is the enemy despite CGF being the
only organization to spend time, money, and effort defending CA UOCers in court. (compare that w/point #3 above)
6) I see that people in the CA subforum at OCDO are still scheduling new *group meetups* w/o any senior members here as much as suggesting that they stand down for 8 weeks and why
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum12/43211.html
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum12/42967.html
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum12/42249.html
(just found an exception at:
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum12/42984.html)
So, why waste my time?
You guys (
both the UOCers participating in the group meetups before
McDonald and the UOCers who are standing down
by not "piling on" those who
are still organizing meetups to tell them to cut it out for 8 lousy weeks), are going to ruin all our abilities to U/LOC in CA for years.
Even if I could convince you, or you and the others on this thread, or even everyone on this subforum to stand down from *group meetups* until 1 July, all it takes a handful of yahoos to keep UOCing to sink OC in CA for years. The only way to stop that is for all the UOCers who are not short-sighted to immediately get the other UOCers to stand down from group meets, consistently and quickly speak out against group meetups until after incorporation, and that I don't see happening.
I'm not getting paid for this, I've got better things to do w/my limited free time than try to "get between a fool and his folly" (not referring to you in particular Demnogis). I'll still make the calls and send the emails to try to stop AB1934 (and all other anti legislation), but as long as group meetups continue, it is very likely AB1934 will get passed and very likely it will be signed by Arnie (to protect LE, of course).
California will be the first Epic Fail of the OC movement and OCDO.
