EMNofSeattle
Regular Member
so I posted this on facebook in response to a web campaign by Bloombergs everytown for gun safety
See here we go, it's time for outside interest groups to influence WA politics, and lie while doing it,
Great example, Michael Bloomberg (a billionaire from NYC) creates this anti gun group to support initiative 594 (the "background check initiative" that's really an attempt to criminalize youth hunting and recreational shooting), they come up with this study saying the Brady law background checks have prevented 40,000 gun sales in the last ten years to felons (a lie, because the bloombergs group doesn't understand how the system works, but that's for another day) so they claim that online classified ads are a major avenue of criminals buying guns, which is not substantiated by any independent research, they peruse want-to-buy ads on armslist.com and then any ad with identifiable information they search the records to see if the person wanting to buy a gun is not allowed to own one.
so they find 81 WTB ads with identifiable info, out of those, a grand total of 8 MAY be prohibited from owning guns.
http://washington.everytown.org/?so..._medium=_p&utm_campaign=WA.Vis.FB.C14.RHS.A01
now pay close attention to the story they outline, they claim a man in king county is convicted of multiple felonies and then posts a want to buy ad on armslist, but when they lay out the court documents showing his histry (for auto theft, domestic violence, etc) they block his name out of the documents. why? since court docs are public record and it's not illegal to say something that's true about another person?
because they have no clue if the guy posting the ad is the guy with the criminal history, they find some guy with a matching name, but don't know if it really is the same guy. even if he is, his last conviction on the timeline is 22 years ago, hardly a high likliehood for reoffence, also Washington law permits a judge to restore firearms rights after 10 years with no criminal law violations if the offenses were not a class A felony (murder, rape, manslaughter) a restoration of civil rights would be on the civil court docket and not the criminal court docket.
Also, if he is a criminal, posting an ad wanting to buy a browning hi-power would be very unusual, these are now mainly costly collectors guns that are heavy and not suited well for concealed carry, why would a criminal choose that model of gun?
basically, they came up with 8 people who's names are the same as someone who's been convicted in this state at some time, who may or may not be allowed to own guns. that's why they haven't Identified any of these alleged criminals by name, because they could get the pants sued off of them if they misidentified the buyer or didn't bother to check for firearms rights restoration.... don't buy these junk numbers invented by billionaires trying to camoflauge this terrible ballot measure.
check the link embedded for the timeline of one their supposed "felons buying guns" on armslist....
I think This campaign is junk, what do you think of my argument for why?
See here we go, it's time for outside interest groups to influence WA politics, and lie while doing it,
Great example, Michael Bloomberg (a billionaire from NYC) creates this anti gun group to support initiative 594 (the "background check initiative" that's really an attempt to criminalize youth hunting and recreational shooting), they come up with this study saying the Brady law background checks have prevented 40,000 gun sales in the last ten years to felons (a lie, because the bloombergs group doesn't understand how the system works, but that's for another day) so they claim that online classified ads are a major avenue of criminals buying guns, which is not substantiated by any independent research, they peruse want-to-buy ads on armslist.com and then any ad with identifiable information they search the records to see if the person wanting to buy a gun is not allowed to own one.
so they find 81 WTB ads with identifiable info, out of those, a grand total of 8 MAY be prohibited from owning guns.
http://washington.everytown.org/?so..._medium=_p&utm_campaign=WA.Vis.FB.C14.RHS.A01
now pay close attention to the story they outline, they claim a man in king county is convicted of multiple felonies and then posts a want to buy ad on armslist, but when they lay out the court documents showing his histry (for auto theft, domestic violence, etc) they block his name out of the documents. why? since court docs are public record and it's not illegal to say something that's true about another person?
because they have no clue if the guy posting the ad is the guy with the criminal history, they find some guy with a matching name, but don't know if it really is the same guy. even if he is, his last conviction on the timeline is 22 years ago, hardly a high likliehood for reoffence, also Washington law permits a judge to restore firearms rights after 10 years with no criminal law violations if the offenses were not a class A felony (murder, rape, manslaughter) a restoration of civil rights would be on the civil court docket and not the criminal court docket.
Also, if he is a criminal, posting an ad wanting to buy a browning hi-power would be very unusual, these are now mainly costly collectors guns that are heavy and not suited well for concealed carry, why would a criminal choose that model of gun?
basically, they came up with 8 people who's names are the same as someone who's been convicted in this state at some time, who may or may not be allowed to own guns. that's why they haven't Identified any of these alleged criminals by name, because they could get the pants sued off of them if they misidentified the buyer or didn't bother to check for firearms rights restoration.... don't buy these junk numbers invented by billionaires trying to camoflauge this terrible ballot measure.
check the link embedded for the timeline of one their supposed "felons buying guns" on armslist....
I think This campaign is junk, what do you think of my argument for why?