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Triple Tap wrote:
Usually I agree with you on these topics, but lets see 3.6 million Americans out of work and counting, 12 million and counting illegals. Do the math. They are illegals, reason enough for deportation in any country. Come legal, or don't come. my family did legally, your too I bet. Its is not racial hatred, it is economics that America's fallback programs cant keep supporting non-Americans.
It's easy to support free trade and sound economics when things are going well, but harder to do so when they're not. The truth is that there's a demand for the "illegal" workers (I say 'illegal' in quotes because when I was in southern california, many were there doing legal day labor, but were likely to be classified as illegal).
A "fully employed" country has between 2 and 7 % unemployment at any given time
sources. Even right now, the unemployment rate is just above the "full employment" line, and while it seems bad, it really is just another part of another cycle.
Looking back, things are still better now than they were during most of the past 30 years.
The problem with the "they're illegal" argument is that is that it uses the
malum prohibitumhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malum_prohibitum version of "illegal" to state that a person's presence is
malum in se. That conflation violates not only logic, but it makes a leap that says what's right and wrong is determined by the current state of laws, despite all other factors. A comparison with meaning to gun rights advocates would be things like the various bans on scary looking weapons, and the fallout from that. For example, Phillip Joseph Dominguez, who legally owned his "assault rifles," was stopped at LAX, and arrested because (the claim is) they violated the law by transporting it somewhere other than between home and a shooting range. An anti might use the logic "well, if he violated that law, think of what else he might do, we should take his weapons away from him, because he's an obvious danger."
Laws don't tell you what's right and wrong, just what's illegal. I'm saying that, just because the people are here illegally, doesn't make it wrong for them to be here. Especially when they're willing to come over and work hard, live on as frugal a budget as possible, and do everything they can to insure their families have better lives.
Though I could say more about how I'd address the "problem" of immigration, I think that it's better saved for a different thread. What I don't support, however, is expanding the power of search and seizure to make the entire country "stop and identify," per DEROS72's suggestion that we "should be checking at times for citizenship." The fact is, no person, regardless of race, religion, et cetera should be beholden to a system of "show me your papers, citizen" - that's a first step to destroying freedom.