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Ok couple a things,
First off I have come damned close to shooting some dumb kid outside FDG.
I walked out with my buddy and here is this kid standing just to the left of the door out of sight of the store with a hood up and sun glasses on with a Drawn Hi point pistol held at waist level and he pulls the trigger with it aimed at my gut.
Sufficient to say the store employees saw my jacket fly back my G29 come out and then the kid says "Don't worry it ain't loaded"
After we left he went in waving it around asking for a new clip for it.
That's my FDG story.
Gun grabs
Had it happen in E. Wa a few years ago. While I was conversing with my Sheriff buddy looking at a classic car. Deputy is on my left, we were standing facing the car, with the pistol on my right hip. My jacket had hung up on the butt of my pistol while I was talking to a sheriffs deputy. Some moron, came up behind me, and tries to grab it and actually got it partially out of the holster. The results were that the Moron was rushed to the hospital to have my Kershaw Folder which I spun and buried to the hilt, removed from his right shoulder. He got extremely lucky that the blade missed anything major. Half an inch any direction and they'd have buried him instead of questioned him.
His official statement was he wanted the deputy to know I had a gun, so he crept up quietly behind me and the deputy and then attempted to grab it from my holster while I was talking. It never cleared the holster but got far enough out to fall when I spun and stuck the guy in the shoulder.
The Guy admittd he was "Creeping up on me to get the gun" In the end he was dubbed stupid, but seemed to have no harmful intentions, just stupid ones.
I had absolutely no warning til he grabbed it. I reacted purely on instinct. I pulled the Kershaw leek with my left hand while I was spinning to my right to get the gun away from where I thought the grab was coming from. The knife entered just under his collar bone in the right shoulder.
No charges filed, against me, official explanation. "There is only one reasonable reason someone, Non LE would attempt to take a weapon away in such a manner, and that is to do harm to the carrier with it, therefore self defense is warranted to prevent harm or death. You cannot ever just suppose that the attempt to take away a legally carried weapon is a joke or a farce. "
Gun on the right, fast folder on the left. Not quite a NY reload, but they get the point...
Had a former supervisor try the same thing when I was in uniform with a Safariland Level 4 holster on. Only I knew he was gonna do it, and was nice enough to leave the blade closed as I pushed it against his neck during retention drills, (we were not practicing when he made the attempt, but I knew he was gonna try it). He went albino on me when he realized that if it was serious he would have had the knife in his throat.
The only reason someone grabs for your gun is to take it and cause you harm, any other thought in a harmful situation will get you killed or at least hurt. That was what my training was. Discretion has it's place but not during a gun grab. You do everything in your power to protect that weapon until the threat is gone or you can employ that weapon in your own defence.
You have to be pretty stupid to grab at a gun. You do that to a cop you are shot.
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