First ever encounter at my apartments

[grishnav]

I do abhor abortion.

So do lots of sensible people. But the question is, would you throw people in a cage for making different choices than you for their lives?

I also absolutely support capital punishment.

What good does it do? The evidence for deterrence is not on your side here. How about a restitution-based system, rather than a vengeance-based one?

I'll also called the cops on a bunch of these punks around here and saw the other day one cop carrying his drug test kit into an apartment and then hauling someone away.

Did they hurt anyone? Or did you ask them to throw innocent people into a cage on your behalf?

I'm sick of tolerence for useless people who think they are to be supported by the rest of us .

Says the guy living off of government checks. The hypocrisy of this statement really transcends my ability to properly respond, so I'll just leave it at "nobody should be forced to support another."

 

[gogodawgs]

So do lots of sensible people. But the question is, would you throw people in a cage for making different choices than you for their lives?

I also abhor abortion, but would never limit the choice of another individual nor would I attempt to make it illegal. Let them take that up with their God at another time.

What good does it do? The evidence for deterrence is not on your side here. How about a restitution-based system, rather than a vengeance-based one?

The evidence for deterrence is not on your side? Has Ted Bundy ever repeated his murder spree after he was executed? Clearly Ted Bundy has been deterred.

 

[Jeff Hayes]

I also abhor abortion, but would never limit the choice of another individual nor would I attempt to make it illegal. Let them take that up with their God at another time.



The evidence for deterrence is not on your side? Has Ted Bundy ever repeated his murder spree after he was executed? Clearly Ted Bundy has been deterred.

Could not have said it any better, +1000

 

[DEROS72]

This guy living off of gov checks earned it.Vietam combat vet,and worked for 39 years.So I get a Va disability and a social security disability. As opposed to someone that sits around and gets fat and never serves in the military . Someone who didn't finish school ,or ever had a job ,or keeps having babies when not married does not deserve a free check .Thay have not earned it .And yes I told these punks most that have felony records I didn't want to see any partying going on.Despite that they were throwing parties in the parking lot behind my apt untill 3am.So I called the cops .As figured from info I got (I have a very good repoir with the cops here Several have given me their personal cell numbers) some were dealing .I warned them that that is not to take place here.Did they hurt anyone? Maybe not that day but they were still engaged in an illegal activity and we here will not support that.So now the video camera I have pointed out my back window keeps them quiet.The ones anyway that are still here.I have had a few evicted in the past.
Since I have been in the news so many times and have a business cards etc from all the reporters here I inform them what is what and they Know I am with open carry.
Acoording to the logic by some the guy that killed the 4 cops in Tacoma should have been given his gun back.5 time convicted felon with charges pending.Thats the reason convicted violent felons should never have their rights back.They should never ,ever have the chance to get out of jail much less be given a firearm.That is the opinion I have expressed to a couple of the reporters I have talked to.


The second amendment applies to law abiding citizens .

 

[BigDave]

Some people here only want the constitution applied to the things they like.

I never smoke marijuana do drugs drink rarely, but if I don't defend rights and the constitution across the board, than that would make me a hipocrite, I would vote to do away with any sort of prohibition across the board. It's a huge waste of our tax money fighting this stupid "drug war". So would Abraham Lincoln.....(a racist, expanitionist who pushed for more federal control and in my opinion a forerunner to many "progressives")

We do have the right to bear arms (this would mean firearms). Because the reason for the 2A was to make sure we had .......wait for it.....firearms.

The 2nd Amendment came about for defense against a tyranny government and with in that the right to self defense of self and others.
With this right there are limits regardless if some like it or not and those limits that end up imposing upon others as committing crimes against in taking their firearms possession away do to their demonstrated actions.

With maturity comes a realization there are limitations in everything we do as we respect others and ensure our actions do not harm others, sometimes it comes with knowledge and age and some (druggies) never make it there.

As to illegal drugs as PCP, Meth, Cocaine, Pot or illegally possession of prescription drugs is a crime in our society plain and simple, no matter how you try to justify or twist it is still illegal.

This attitude speaks volumes for those who pick and choose what laws they will or will not obey and there are processes in government to make change and that is the forum where your interest in pot smoking need to be fought until the law changes those who practice in mind altering drugs are doing so illegally.

So please tell us how does promoting Pot Smoking or an Illegal Drug use help promote the legal carry of firearms for our defense?

If this was such a good idea, how would the topic read "Drug Users Support the 2nd Amendment" or "While on Drugs I am less likely to use Deadly Force" or "I am better prepared to defend myself while HIGH"

What one positive issue can you state would make you better prepared to defend yourself or another while being HIGH, anyone?

Promoting drug use in an Open Carry Forum or Concealed Carry is so far off topic it is ridiculous and immature and does nothing but harm the movement.

 

[BigDave]

Says the guy living off of government checks. The hypocrisy of this statement really transcends my ability to properly respond, so I'll just leave it at "nobody should be forced to support another."

And now you need to apologize and thank him for his service, he and others have earned every penny they receive (not a gift, it was earned) not as so many druggies that fry their brains and put on SSI, a HUGE DIFFERENCE.

There are several other veterans with disabilities who were there and ready to fight when called upon and did so for each and every American.

You just stepped on a land mind, you just did not know it!

 

[DEROS72]

Thank you Dave...excellent point. I haqve had 4 major heart attacks (Bookman saved my ass the lat time) 6 angioplasys and open heart surgery and congestive heart failure.3 of those heart attacks were in my office because I WAS WORKING AT MY JOB AT THE TIME .As Dave pointed out some pot head that can't keep a job does not desreve gov.assistance.OR some gal that didn't finish school got pregnant and then says we should support her.Actually her kid should be removed to foster care and she can petition for her kid back after she has shown she can complete school and hold a job for at least a year.In the mean time cut her off. That was her FREE choice .You guys that want to promote the use of illegal drugs or support this free ride society need to bow out of this forum because your'e abhorant representitive for gun rights.The sort that the antis look for and say ....SEE i told you.

We do not want or suppot a socialist society.




And now for something completly different..Saints 14 Vikings 9

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

Thank you Dave...excellent point.You guys that want to promote the use of illegal drugs or support this free ride society need to bow out of this forum because you abhorant representitive for gun rights.The sort that the antis look for and say ....SEE i told you.We do not want a socialist society.

The 2nd Amendment and having a free ride society can go hand in hand, if we play our cards right. If we play our cards right, we can have our guns, and our welfare checks:banana:

OK, all joking aside.

There is nothing wrong with Socialism, and in reality, we have been a Socialist society for many many decades. So anti's come on here and see people who support the second Amendment that are Democrat, "tea party"ers, republicans, or that support Socialism or whatever--and? There are many different types of people on this page. If you don't like the many points of view, maybe China would best suit your taste. I hear they are big on suppressing differing opinions.

I was born in America, many generations of my family were born in America, this is my country, and I am just as American--being the Democrat that i am-- as you or anyone else is. The right sure waste a lot of their time and energy accusing the other side of being unAmerican, less American, or whatever other sh*t they find to fling from their cage. All I have to say to people who think that Socialism is unAmerican is wake up, smell the coffee, Socialism has been here in America for a very long time, it is part of the process, and it is just as much American as Capitalism, Democracy, and the Constitution, IMO of course.

BTW, I agree, weed is illegal...it should be legalized though. it might cut down on drug dealing in your backyard Deros.

 

[gogodawgs]

If tomorrow...

regular cigarettes were made illegal in all 50 states. (And they are on that path)

Would you cease smoking tabacco immediately? Or would you disobey the prohibition?

 

[jt59]

And now you need to apologize and thank him for his service, he and others have earned every penny they receive (not a gift, it was earned) not as so many druggies that fry their brains and put on SSI, a HUGE DIFFERENCE.

There are several other veterans with disabilities who were there and ready to fight when called upon and did so for each and every American.

You just stepped on a land mind, you just did not know it!

Well, (foot tapping, fingers drumming);........still waiting? ..:cuss:

"we do not dishonor those who have served" my father (the Marine) used to say.

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

I hope they ban cigarette smoking, and make smoking marijuana legal...marijuana smoke smells better IMO.

 

[Deleted_User]

I'm just wondering where I load a round into marijuana?

 

[BigDave]

regular cigarettes were made illegal in all 50 states. (And they are on that path)

Would you cease smoking tabacco immediately? Or would you disobey the prohibition?

Not an issue for me, quit around 15 years ago, so Yes

What if the moon light was made illegal would you stay inside on cloudless nights? Silly huh.

 

[gogodawgs]

Not an issue for me, quit around 15 years ago, so Yes

What if the moon light was made illegal would you stay inside on cloudless nights? Silly huh.

Come on Dave, you are brighter than that!

 

[Mapnapkin]

This got off topic.. I'll play.
I don't smoke pot, a lot of people I know do.


new thread started for this

 

[grishnav]

And now you need to apologize and thank him for his service,

I need to apologize? How very statist of you. Just what are you going to do if I don't apologize?

And thank him for his service? On the contrary, I think my parents ought to be refunded for the taxes wasted on that pointless war.

he and others have earned every penny they receive

Really? I'm paying for them, but I sure don't remember signing any contract with them.

(not a gift, it was earned)

Again, how? By trudging through the mud and shooting at people? I'm pretty sure I've never agreed to pay anyone to do that.

not as so many druggies that fry their brains and put on SSI, a HUGE DIFFERENCE.

No difference.

There are several other veterans with disabilities who were there and ready to fight when called upon and did so for each and every American.

They didn't do it for me! Given the opportunity, I'd ask them not to.

You just stepped on a land mind, you just did not know it!

Boom. And yes, I'm aware of Deros's service. I just don't care. At best, it's meaningless to me; otherwise, it's actually rather appalling. When I want to pay you to kill people for me, I'll let you know. Until then, please don't. Thanks.

 

[grishnav]

Well, (foot tapping, fingers drumming);........still waiting? ..:cuss:

Hold your breath. Might come faster.

 

[grishnav]

This guy living off of gov checks earned it.

No you didn't. Trotting about in the mud in a foreign country does not entitle you to a percentage of my paycheck for the rest of your life. Neither being one of the 20-or-so-percent that murdered innocent women and children (and maybe caught an enemy soldier in the crossfire), or one of the 80-or-so-percent that persistently aimed too high.

Vietam combat vet,

I'm glad you continue to own this mistake.

and worked for 39 years.

Thank you for being productive at some point. You did save for retirement, right?

As opposed to someone that sits around and gets fat and never serves in the military . Someone who didn't finish school ,or ever had a job ,or keeps having babies when not married does not deserve a free check .

Agreed.

Thay have not earned it .

Neither have you.

And yes I told these punks most that have felony records

Means nothing to me. People get felonies for all sorts of ridiculous things. Are you implying they are violent, or just living a lifestyle that you don't agree with? If they are violent, that is one thing, but "felony" is about as meaningful as "purple" in this context.

I didn't want to see any partying going on.

So you had them thrown into cages because they were having too much fun for your tastes?

I knew you could be a buzzkill, but jeez man...

Despite that they were throwing parties in the parking lot behind my apt untill 3am.

That's not very neighborly. You should talk to the property owner about that.

As figured from info I got (I have a very good repoir with the cops here Several have given me their personal cell numbers) some were dealing .

So wait, you wanted them arrested because they were having fun, or because they were doing business? Or is it just because they were mixing business with pleasure?

I'm still not seeing a victim here, unless you are saying you were the victim of their loud music, which I would tend to agree with. However, seems like summoning thugs to throw people in cages or kill them is a bit overkill for being annoying. Did you try talking to the property manager?

Did they hurt anyone? Maybe not that day

So bottom line is you ordered some thugs to hurt people guilty of nothing more than being annoying and unneighborly on your behalf. Great job.

but they were still engaged in an illegal activity and we here will not support that.

What will you do when they ban smoking tobacco? (Yes, it's coming. It's already effectively banned in Seattle, since it's virtually impossible to not be within 25 feet of a door or bus stop. It's just not enforced ... yet.)

Also, you are aware that the drug prohibitions are unconstitutional, yes? So are you saying that you don't support the constitution, or just that you don't believe it's the supreme law of the land? Will you clarify this point for me?

So now the video camera I have pointed out my back window keeps them quiet.

This is a pretty good solution to the problem. Much better than calling the thugs.

The ones anyway that are still here.I have had a few evicted in the past.

So you have talked to property management, and even had success? What prompted the attitude change?

Acoording to the logic by some the guy that killed the 4 cops in Tacoma should have been given his gun back.

I think that jail should be reserved for people too dangerous to be in society. Therefore, one who is not in jail should be free to own and carry a firearm.

It's obvious in this case that the system failed to contain a dangerous person. The same system you seem to trust so much as to decide who lives and who dies, by the way.

5 time convicted felon with charges pending.Thats the reason convicted violent felons should never have their rights back.They should never ,ever have the chance to get out of jail much less be given a firearm.That is the opinion I have expressed to a couple of the reporters I have talked to.

We might be able to find some common ground on the subject of violent felons. The problem is, most felons aren't violent, because so many ridiculous things are felonies.

The second amendment applies to law abiding citizens .

Then it applies to nobody. There is not a single person in America, including George Dubyah Bush, that has complied with every law on the books for the entirety of their lives. Period. Not you. Not me. Not John Pierce or Mike or anyone on this forum. Not Obama. Nobody.

 

[grishnav]

new thread started for this

Cool. I'll go check it out and quit contributing to the derailment of this thread. (Hey, at least I didn't start it this time!)

 

[Aaron1124]

This guy living off of gov checks earned it.Vietam combat vet,and worked for 39 years.So I get a Va disability and a social security disability. As opposed to someone that sits around and gets fat and never serves in the military . Someone who didn't finish school ,or ever had a job ,or keeps having babies when not married does not deserve a free check .Thay have not earned it .And yes I told these punks most that have felony records I didn't want to see any partying going on.Despite that they were throwing parties in the parking lot behind my apt untill 3am.So I called the cops .As figured from info I got (I have a very good repoir with the cops here Several have given me their personal cell numbers) some were dealing .I warned them that that is not to take place here.Did they hurt anyone? Maybe not that day but they were still engaged in an illegal activity and we here will not support that.So now the video camera I have pointed out my back window keeps them quiet.The ones anyway that are still here.I have had a few evicted in the past.
Since I have been in the news so many times and have a business cards etc from all the reporters here I inform them what is what and they Know I am with open carry.
Acoording to the logic by some the guy that killed the 4 cops in Tacoma should have been given his gun back.5 time convicted felon with charges pending.Thats the reason convicted violent felons should never have their rights back.They should never ,ever have the chance to get out of jail much less be given a firearm.That is the opinion I have expressed to a couple of the reporters I have talked to.


The second amendment applies to law abiding citizens .

You've certainly earned your benefits. You've paid your dues and performed your duties. What angers me, like you said, are those who refuses to work, refuses to get off the couch, refuses to put down the joint, and refuses to "wrap the stump", yet, has no problem collecting their monthly Washington State check, in which they most likely use for drugs and alcohol. Working in the security industry for over two years, 90% of the people I have stopped for shoplifting have been on some kind of cash benefit program. What are they doing with their cash if they can't afford to buy groceries? Surely they get EBT benefits. Hell, I work a full time job, and I get EBT benefits! Yet - these schmucks don't work a day in their life, are physically capable of it, yet they don't. It just pisses me off.