OrangeIsTrouble
Regular Member
Because I am seeing some VERY QUESTIONABLE information popping up in another certain thread, I will just publish the current form of this guide.
First off, let me get the crappy disclaimer thing over with. As in the forum rules, regard anything I say as hearsay and not the truth, as I am no lawyer. I will do my best to cite whatever I can but it is up to you to do the final research and to make your own decision. Now let's get started.
You are 18 to 20 years old and cannot freaking wait to turn 21 so that you may legally carry openly or legally conceal your handgun with the proper CPL (concealed pistol license) at any given time.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.050 < Carrying firearms.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.240 < Possessing a pistol (Open carry)
In the mean time, you can only carry items such as your kung pow fists or pepper spray. Pepper spray is protected by state law (almost like the firearms preemption, although it is not stated that way) for any person age 14 and up. Persons within the age group of 14 to 17 need parental permission to carry the pepper spray while of course, 18 year old adults don't need mommy and daddy to say anything. Or do they?
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.91.160 < Personal Protection Spray Device.
So maybe you’ve tried it out. You used your super fists, but someone trying to hurt you had bigger fists and hands and lifted you up and choked you out. Or maybe the self defense spray had absolutely no effect on your attacker. Now, you are frustrated as you cannot carry a firearm without being smacked by the law and you aren’t Chuck Norris, and pepper doesn’t scare some people.
Well, what can we do? Let’s take a look at RCW 9.41.042.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.042
This RCW states the exception for children under age 18 to possess a firearm. Wait, that doesn’t help us. We’re in the age group of 18-20. Ah, RCW 9.41.060!
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.060
This RCW doesn’t state an age group, but does refer to RCW 9.41.050 which prohibits carrying a concealed firearm without a CPL. It states RCW 9.41.060 will not apply; then down at section 8, for “any person engaging in a lawful outdoor activity”. Well, that’s nice to know and take advantage of, but I am not always engaging in outdoor activities such as camping, fishing, or hiking. Some might consider a walk to the mailbox a hike however….
Section 9 states, “Any person while carrying a pistol unloaded and in a closed opaque case or secure wrapper”. Whoa! So I can take my firearm anywhere that is legal (excluding post officers, schools, jails, etc) as long as it is in a closed opaque case or secure wrapper? It however, must be unloaded. Well that sucks, but it’s better than nothing, right? Well all you have to do now is go down to the local hardware store and pick up a small case, preferably with a combination that you can easily unlock and grab your firearm and magazine in case you really need it. I did that, and all it cost me was 13$. Down at Harborview Freight, they have lockboxes that look like “books” with a title and author and everything! I have fooled many passengers into thinking it was some college book!
So far, RCW 9.41.060, is the only RCW (that I have found) that will allow you to have your firearm with you (age 18-20), as long as you abide by the conditions.
But before you run off and dash for a lockbox, don’t forget that you must stand the 4th and pledge the 5th! It is no one’s business what is in your box (unless you are a criminal!) and you don’t have to tell anyone.
Well, you’re all the way to the bottom, and you know I am about to let go, so here’s one last gem for you.
Look closely at RCW 0.41.050, look at the very first sentence, “Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, a person shall not carry a pistol concealed on his or her person without a license to carry a concealed pistol.”
The way that I read that, is that you can carry concealed at your workplace, unless of course it is not “fixed” such as being a delivery driver or bus driver. (Tell me where it says you have to be the OWNER of the business before you argue)
But what if you don’t like concealing and your boss is ok with open carry? (You are one lucky person if this applies to you). Then RCW 9.41.240 (possession of handgun, not concealed) will apply to you. Number 2 states; “At the person's fixed place of business”.
How’s that as another extra surprise?
You can’t carry everywhere, but if you look into what I got listed here, you can always have a handgun on you, (maybe not in the condition you prefer) and you have that extra tool to help save your ass when the time is upon you.
Anything that you can see is wrong, PM me with details/cites for your argument and I'll correct it.
Remember, this is alllllllll hearsayyyy , not legal advice!
First off, let me get the crappy disclaimer thing over with. As in the forum rules, regard anything I say as hearsay and not the truth, as I am no lawyer. I will do my best to cite whatever I can but it is up to you to do the final research and to make your own decision. Now let's get started.
You are 18 to 20 years old and cannot freaking wait to turn 21 so that you may legally carry openly or legally conceal your handgun with the proper CPL (concealed pistol license) at any given time.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.050 < Carrying firearms.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.240 < Possessing a pistol (Open carry)
In the mean time, you can only carry items such as your kung pow fists or pepper spray. Pepper spray is protected by state law (almost like the firearms preemption, although it is not stated that way) for any person age 14 and up. Persons within the age group of 14 to 17 need parental permission to carry the pepper spray while of course, 18 year old adults don't need mommy and daddy to say anything. Or do they?
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.91.160 < Personal Protection Spray Device.
So maybe you’ve tried it out. You used your super fists, but someone trying to hurt you had bigger fists and hands and lifted you up and choked you out. Or maybe the self defense spray had absolutely no effect on your attacker. Now, you are frustrated as you cannot carry a firearm without being smacked by the law and you aren’t Chuck Norris, and pepper doesn’t scare some people.
Well, what can we do? Let’s take a look at RCW 9.41.042.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.042
This RCW states the exception for children under age 18 to possess a firearm. Wait, that doesn’t help us. We’re in the age group of 18-20. Ah, RCW 9.41.060!
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.060
This RCW doesn’t state an age group, but does refer to RCW 9.41.050 which prohibits carrying a concealed firearm without a CPL. It states RCW 9.41.060 will not apply; then down at section 8, for “any person engaging in a lawful outdoor activity”. Well, that’s nice to know and take advantage of, but I am not always engaging in outdoor activities such as camping, fishing, or hiking. Some might consider a walk to the mailbox a hike however….
Section 9 states, “Any person while carrying a pistol unloaded and in a closed opaque case or secure wrapper”. Whoa! So I can take my firearm anywhere that is legal (excluding post officers, schools, jails, etc) as long as it is in a closed opaque case or secure wrapper? It however, must be unloaded. Well that sucks, but it’s better than nothing, right? Well all you have to do now is go down to the local hardware store and pick up a small case, preferably with a combination that you can easily unlock and grab your firearm and magazine in case you really need it. I did that, and all it cost me was 13$. Down at Harborview Freight, they have lockboxes that look like “books” with a title and author and everything! I have fooled many passengers into thinking it was some college book!
So far, RCW 9.41.060, is the only RCW (that I have found) that will allow you to have your firearm with you (age 18-20), as long as you abide by the conditions.
But before you run off and dash for a lockbox, don’t forget that you must stand the 4th and pledge the 5th! It is no one’s business what is in your box (unless you are a criminal!) and you don’t have to tell anyone.
Well, you’re all the way to the bottom, and you know I am about to let go, so here’s one last gem for you.
Look closely at RCW 0.41.050, look at the very first sentence, “Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, a person shall not carry a pistol concealed on his or her person without a license to carry a concealed pistol.”
The way that I read that, is that you can carry concealed at your workplace, unless of course it is not “fixed” such as being a delivery driver or bus driver. (Tell me where it says you have to be the OWNER of the business before you argue)
But what if you don’t like concealing and your boss is ok with open carry? (You are one lucky person if this applies to you). Then RCW 9.41.240 (possession of handgun, not concealed) will apply to you. Number 2 states; “At the person's fixed place of business”.
How’s that as another extra surprise?
You can’t carry everywhere, but if you look into what I got listed here, you can always have a handgun on you, (maybe not in the condition you prefer) and you have that extra tool to help save your ass when the time is upon you.
Anything that you can see is wrong, PM me with details/cites for your argument and I'll correct it.
Remember, this is alllllllll hearsayyyy , not legal advice!
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