I am keenly aware of who is around me. I don't let people get too close if I don't know them. The biggest thing for me is waiting in line at places like Walmart. People sometimes get right behind you. I turn and say get out of my personal space and people always back up. Only had one guy tell his wife wtf is his problem after backing up. To which I told his wife, my problem is I do not know your husband, and I don't know what his intentions are. For everyone's safety it,s best not to creep up on people that carry guns.
Out of the dozens of threads where the Birking of Williams was extensively written about,,,
Why did you never mention this interesting and relevent little tidbit?
?Out of the dozens of threads where the Birking of Williams was extensively written about,,,
Why did you never mention this interesting and relevent little tidbit?
Are you left-handed?
I find that I can always get into a line at a store with my firearm away from the person behind me, but I am right handed.
I don't know what ou are smoking but it really has you messed up.
Out of the dozens of threads where the Birking of Williams was extensively written about,,,
Why did you never mention this interesting and relevent little tidbit?
in the adams apple trying to kill them.
Wow I would only be trying to stop the threat, but that is just me.
I agree with you 110%. But I typed it, so I own it. But your point is right on. Thanks.
This is my opinion and mine alone. I don't know of anyone ever having there gun grabed in open carry, but I don't know everything.
If they seriously tried to take my weapon I would do two things. One, I would drive my fingers into there eyes and strike them in the adams apple trying to kill them. If for some reason that didn't work or there were more attackers, Two I would pull my pocket pistol out and shoot them in the head. Then I would call the cops and my lawyer, and wife, and wait for the cops, and use my phone camera to take video of the witnesses using the Quik app.
I don't know if this is the proper way to handle it, but hopefully someone here will correct if i'm wrong.Not intended as a personal attack, but more to show the lack of understanding of escalation of force. One is allowed to use "Only that amount of force necessary to neutralize the threat"
Draw down on them if necessary and place safe distance between yourself and the threat. Not shoot them in the head or strike them in the adams apple and try to kill them.
If you consider this as a personal attack, oh well,....... I cannot help what you think.
Robbery.
A person commits robbery when he or she unlawfully takes personal property from the person of another or in his or her presence against his or her will by the use or threatened use of immediate force, violence, or fear of injury to that person or his or her property or the person or property of anyone. Such force or fear must be used to obtain or retain possession of the property, or to prevent or overcome resistance to the taking; in either of which cases the degree of force is immaterial. Such taking constitutes robbery whenever it appears that, although the taking was fully completed without the knowledge of the person from whom taken, such knowledge was prevented by the use of force or fear.
(1) A person is guilty of robbery in the first degree if:
(a) In the commission of a robbery or of immediate flight therefrom, he or she:
(i) Is armed with a deadly weapon
Robbery in the First Degree is a Class A felony.
Theft of a Firearm.
(1) A person is guilty of theft of a firearm if he or she commits a theft of any firearm.
Theft of a Firearm is a Class B felony.
Criminal Attempt.
(1) A person is guilty of an attempt to commit a crime if, with intent to commit a specific crime, he or she does any act which is a substantial step toward the commission of that crime.
. . .
(3) An attempt to commit a crime is a:
(a) Class A felony when the crime attempted is murder in the first degree, murder in the second degree, arson in the first degree, child molestation in the first degree, indecent liberties by forcible compulsion, rape in the first degree, rape in the second degree, rape of a child in the first degree, or rape of a child in the second degree;
(b) Class B felony when the crime attempted is a class A felony other than an offense listed in (a) of this subsection;
(c) Class C felony when the crime attempted is a class B felony;
This is my opinion and mine alone. I don't know of anyone ever having there gun grabed in open carry, but I don't know everything.
If they seriously tried to take my weapon I would do two things. One, I would drive my fingers into there eyes and strike them in the adams apple trying to kill them. If for some reason that didn't work or there were more attackers, Two I would pull my pocket pistol out and shoot them in the head. Then I would call the cops and my lawyer, and wife, and wait for the cops, and use my phone camera to take video of the witnesses using the Quik app.
I don't know if this is the proper way to handle it, but hopefully someone here will correct if i'm wrong.Not intended as a personal attack, but more to show the lack of understanding of escalation of force. One is allowed to use "Only that amount of force necessary to neutralize the threat"
Draw down on them if necessary and place safe distance between yourself and the threat. Not shoot them in the head or strike them in the adams apple and try to kill them.
If you consider this as a personal attack, oh well,....... I cannot help what you think.
The personal attack I was referencing was your suggestion that I was under the influence of a smoked chemical, did you not make that reference?
AS far as understanding escalation of force, I have used lethal force and was not charged in anyway, shape or form. How about you, have you ever used lethal force on another living human being?
This is my opinion and mine alone. I don't know of anyone ever having there gun grabed in open carry, but I don't know everything.
If they seriously tried to take my weapon I would do two things. One, I would drive my fingers into there eyes and strike them in the adams apple trying to kill them. If for some reason that didn't work or there were more attackers, Two I would pull my pocket pistol out and shoot them in the head. Then I would call the cops and my lawyer, and wife, and wait for the cops, and use my phone camera to take video of the witnesses using the Quik app.
I don't know if this is the proper way to handle it, but hopefully someone here will correct if i'm wrong.
The personal attack I was referencing was your suggestion that I was under the influence of a smoked chemical, did you not make that reference?
AS far as understanding escalation of force, I have used lethal force and was not charged in anyway, shape or form. How about you, have you ever used lethal force on another living human being?
Read the PM I am sending.
When I was OCing in Montana and walked into a store in line I just placed my arm straight in a line behind the grip of the gun, I figured that way someone would have to move my arm or walk directly to my side to take it, thus reduced sneak attacks.
but truthfully, other then ACmariner I've never heard of a civilian OCer gun grab. OC folks are not cops, they don't actively deal with felons or emotionally unstable people all day. virtually no one has a reason to fear going back to jail when an OCer walks by, so I don't think a gun grab like what happens to cops is likely for a LAC who carries in the open.
Ok, so the original news stories are no longer available but I managed to find one about the sentencing of the perps. Also is the link to the thread I found it in.
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2012/02/17/6127119.htm
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?106672-1st-case-of-OC-er-killed-for-OC-ing
lesson number 1
Carry a back-up piece while OCing
lesson number 2
if you don't have a back-up piece and some punk steals your gun that you know is loaded, don't chase him!
lesson number 3
if you're ocing without a concealed backup gun, refer to rule #1