ElectricianLU58
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If he is a cop, and he said that, he should be fired! imo he has no right to have made such a statement, a cop is a cop 24/7/365
i agree, wholeheartedly.
If he is a cop, and he said that, he should be fired! imo he has no right to have made such a statement, a cop is a cop 24/7/365
i disagree. threats of violence, physical or verbal, should be criminal and should be permanently on one's criminal record. violence of any kind, should not be expungeable. a verbal threat of violence IS an actual threat.
i agree with onnie. maybe people who write things like that should not have guns. i did not read his blog either. just the quotes. the quotes were pretty terrible, though.
i do not see how his threats could be protected speech.
If someone, such as Jared Loughners parents, had alerted the Police to take a close look at that nut job that shooting in Tuscon may not have happened.
If I were to say "All child rapists should be killed" or after reading of a report where in Afghanistan 6 al-Qaeda were killed and I post a message saying "6 down 128,951 to go" my gun rights should be removed?[/QUOTE
ur comparing apples with oranges
Totally different, Al-Queda is an enemy to our country and in effect we are at war with them and they are far from innocent
on the other hand Giffords is an elected official of this country,
chances of you heading off to Afghanistan and shooting an Al-Qaeda is rather remote, the one guy a couple of years who did that, WAS arrested and is now in jail
you have a moral if not legal duty to act responsible when you own handguns, and talking about bettering your aim at killing officials or anyone is not responsible.
If his guns were seized, then "shall not be infringed" has been.
IMO until this person is deemed to be no threat to the public or politicians at large, the local police were totally justified in infringing on his 2nd amendment rights.
Just for the record, this idiot has NOT lost his 2nd Ammendment rights at this point, they've just been temporarily suspended while the Authorities take a long hard look so see if he's actually a nut job who presents a real threat. If someone, such as Jared Loughners parents, had alerted the Police to take a close look at that nut job that shooting in Tuscon may not have happened.
Fact is that there are some nut jobs who do need to be hauled in and lose their 2nd Ammendment rights. If you don't want it to happen to you, don't post crap that indicates that you're playing with a far less than a full deck.
As for the 1st Ammendment, threats or statements intended to cause real harm have never been protected by the 1st Ammendment. If you don't believe that, there is case law that stretches back for over 200 years that has ruled that some speech is NOT protected. While this particular case may reside in a somewhat "grey" area, it's not at all surprizing that his statement has resulted in consequences. You can't fix STUPID and now this MORON is paying the price for an incredibly stupid post.
he brought it on himself. We all are responsible for our words and actions. The right to bare arms does come with some rules, and I think one of those might be the mentally disturbed should not have access to arms. I hardly think the founding fathers wanted unstable people to have access, keep or bare arms. He put his intentions out in cyberspace for all to see so IMO until this person is deemed to be no threat to the public or politicians at large, the local police were totally justified in infringing on his 2nd amendment rights.
If I were to say "All child rapists should be killed" or after reading of a report where in Afghanistan 6 al-Qaeda were killed and I post a message saying "6 down 128,951 to go" my gun rights should be removed?
ur comparing apples with oranges
Totally different, Al-Queda is an enemy to our country and in effect we are at war with them and they are far from innocent
on the other hand Giffords is an elected official of this country,
chances of you heading off to Afghanistan and shooting an Al-Qaeda is rather remote, the one guy a couple of years who did that, WAS arrested and is now in jail
you have a moral if not legal duty to act responsible when you own handguns, and talking about bettering your aim at killing officials or anyone is not responsible.
Just because he seems to support a someone or a group that did something illegal does not make him mentally disturbed. If you support Hammas or Planned Parenthood, or Westboro Baptist Church does that make you mentally disturbed? If so who is the keeper of the list of things that make you mentally disturbed. Should Wesley Snips fans be striped of their constitutional rights? Should PETA supporters?
When a government can just walk in strip us of our rights because we said something it didn't like, that places all of our rights in danger.
he brought it on himself. We all are responsible for our words and actions. The right to bare arms does come with some rules, and I think one of those might be the mentally disturbed should not have access to arms. I hardly think the founding fathers wanted unstable people to have access, keep or bare arms. He put his intentions out in cyberspace for all to see so IMO until this person is deemed to be no threat to the public or politicians at large, the local police were totally justified in infringing on his 2nd amendment rights.
The right of "shall not infringe" is IMO is meant for the American Citizenry as a whole but does not mean each and every American individually anytime and all the time.
This is socialism. You obviously think that the RKBA is a collective right, yet even our MI constitution uses the idea in individual terms.
If there is cause to believe that that person MAY use that weapon in an illegal manner, then they, until determined different, have no business with a gun.
This is also socialism, and it is the foundation of people like Lautenburg, Brady, and the like.
They have had enough time to figure out if he is a threat or not and its about time to give him his guns back.
There are people who think WE are all crazy, and would take all of our guns away because of this line of reasoning. Ever heard the term "gun nuts"
First the Government did not walk right up to US and strip US of our rights, they went to him and strip him of his for ( Insert socialist reason here )
I eat meat so I have no idea of what PETA is about nor do i care.
You really owe it to yourself to find out what PETA is really all about.
I don't see it as stripping us of our rights.
Why can't you see that we have been sliding down this slippery slope for years? This is why we have permits, gun free zones and why we need castle doctrine laws to protect us from the government.
Common sense is the keeper of what is or is not mentally disturbed. And what he did makes no common sense!
That statement sounds good and all, but it isn't how it goes down when it goes down.
You can have all the support for someone or some organization, but once you start talking about killing and shooting others, yep you need to be put under the Microscope.
Looking into what someone is doing, and taking treasonous and dangerous actions against them are, well, apples and oranges.