davidmcbeth
Banned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sJnB2PAiwY&feature=youtu.be
Who cares? His right to express himself -- agree with him or not.
Who cares? His right to express himself -- agree with him or not.
Violation of 4 USC 8(b). Only the law abiding abide the law. We, OCDO, are not to advocate violation of the law, but to work to change it.
The best way to deal with jack wagons like those who desecrate our flag is to simply ignore them. Denying them our audience solves the problem of their efforts to be offensive for no reason other than to offend.
Major league sports learned this lesson years ago during the era of streaking. Deny the children their 15 seconds of fame and they are far less likely to disrupt your televised game.
Notably, that would also be the best way to deal with the OP and this type of thread that has nothing at all to do with RKBA but is likely only to be disruptive to the forum.
My apologies to the forum for not following my own advice in this case.
Yours is sloppy thinking. Yours seems to say that government is equivalent to the society it rules, that both are one and the same. And, that the symbol of the government is then necessarily the symbol of the society that government rules.
I can differentiate between the two. I reject your unstated premise.
I think it is only the "symbol minded" who would claim the Stars and Stripes can only represent the federal government.
Many of us who are not blinded by "symbol minded" ideology can understand how a symbol might represent many different things, to different persons, depending on the context. Many of us do view the Stars and Stripes as the most universal symbol of our society, and our nation, of our honorable service members and first responders and their sacrifices on our behalf. It is the symbol which adorns the caskets of our honored dead, which we fly above our homes, which reminds us of our rights under our constitution.
I reject your overtly stated premise that the government "rules" society. In OUR nation (excluding any pinheads who reject association with the best nation, society, and government that has existed in the secular history of the world), society rules society. We get what we collectively want. Sometimes, some of us end up in the minority on certain decisions. So be it so long as wrongs can be suffered.
As for Carlin, not only was he foul mouthed, but in the interest of a joke, he rejects the importance of symbols and symbolism. Anyone who OCs for the purpose of normalizing the idea of regular folks being armed, should see immediately the contradiction in attacking symbols.
If you want to have an intelligent, civil, sincere discussion about an issue, I think we'd both enjoy it. I'm not at all interested in puerile claims about our government being vastly detached from our society, or nit picking about who is included in "our".
Charles
I notice you didn't actually differentiate between the government that rules a society and the society--numerous individuals.
And, since that government imposes itself on people who do not consent and never consented, "rule" is the correct terminology.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident...unalienable rights...Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness...to secure these rights, government are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
When government comes to my fellow human beings as an equal sincerely seeking their genuine consent, and those individuals gives their consent, then "govern" will be the correct term. Until then, rule is the correct terminology.
I notice you are still using the juvenile tactic of misapplying the standard in the DoI in a way that its authors and contemporaries never intended nor imagined. I did give a rat's rectum whether some scum criminal never consents to respect my rights. If he violates them, I will happily have the government impose penalties on him and consider that to be entirely just and appropriate.
You also continue to engage in the puerile game of trying to differentiate between an imperfect, but democratically selected government and the people who elect that government as if we are being imposed upon by some entirely external force.
I'm just not interested in seeing every thread turn into a proselyting effort against our government, or in favor of some fanciful notion of Utopian Anarchy where unicorns puke up rainbows and fart out gold. I didn't start any attack on your fantasy. You are the one who felt compelled to respond to my post by trying to make me an offender for a word.
If you don't see anything in the Stars and Stripes, so be it. Your problem. Not mine.
Again, if you'd like to engage in a thoughtful, sincere, mutually respectful discussion of some topic, I think it would be great fun. I'd suggest anarchy not be the topic.
Charles
Unfortunately, your argument is directed against a former US Marine.
Wow.Your service rates my thanks and gratitude for your service. ...
turns out I was smart enough NOT to get duped into taking orders ...
Now, perhaps you should let this drop before your emotion turns uncivil.
Charles
Compliment then turn right around and insult.
.Wow.
Compliment then turn right around and insult.