OfficerMatt
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So, I decided that after getting off work tonight that i would go to the store and get something for dinner as i usually do every couple of nights, so i grabbed my gun and drove to the Smiths. I entered the store and got a basket as usual, and was chatting to my friends who were with me. After about three minutes in the store the "security officer" came up to me and didnt even start with hello like a normal human being, but got straight to the uninformed point.
Michael Moss ("Security Guard") - "Do you have a permit for that?"
Me - "No, I do not, I am openly carrying it as is my second amendment right."
MM- "If you don't have a permit you are not allowed to carry it like that."
Me- "Well actually in the state of Utah, its legal to carry-"
MM (Rudely interrupting me)- "No, you are not allowed to carry that without a permit, i know, i have taken the classes for guns."
Me- "In the state of Utah, you can carry it without a permit as long as there is no round chambered."
MM- "No, thats not true, you need to go put it in your car."
Me- Okay well ill happily put it in my vehicle, and we can either get an officer on the phone or here to explain to you Utah open carry laws.
MM- "Well i don't think we need to get an officer here but yes you should put it in your car."
So i decided it would be best to be a nice guy and put my firearm in my vehicle. Upon returning to the inside of the store, i asked the clerk (which i see almost every night i am there while i am openly carrying) to please get me a piece of paper and pen so that i might get the "security officers" information.
I walked back over to the "security guard" and asked him for his name and then continued to talk to him after he got off the phone with SLCPD dispatch.
Me -"So did you get the correct information from dispatch?"
MM (Ignoring what i asked)- "I'm not trying to cause any problems im just trying to keep people safe."
Me- "So am I. In the state of Utah the laws for openly carrying a firearm WITHOUT a permit, is that there must NOT be a round in the chamber."
MM- "Actually i thought that the laws said that it has to be three actions from use."
Me- "No, In the state of Utah (*sigh* this is getting ridiculous) you can openly carry a firearm WITHOUT a permit as long as there is no round in the chamber. In order to have a round in the chamber and be openly carrying, you would need a permit. I am trying to keep other people safe as well as myself, that is why i openly carry, as is my second amendment right."
MM- "Okay well I'm just going to speak to the officer and find out for sure, and i will let you know if you are still here."
Me- "Okay, thank you."
I then continued doing my shopping for about another fifteen minutes and when i walked past him while leaving the store, i heard him speaking to the officer on the phone.
It was slightly shocking that after shopping there for who knows how long since i started openly carrying without any problems or even a question, that this happened. But I'm curious if we should send an e-mail or phone call to the manager at that store and speak to him/her about this, as i do not want it to happen again, or i will take my business elsewhere.
I humbly ask the veterans of our group to bestow your great knowledge upon me lol, i would love to have a bunch of us shop there while openly carrying. I do however look forward to hearing some advice.
Next time i will make sure to have a copy of the open carry laws printed out so that the people who DON'T know the right information and make an ass out of themselves trying while failing horribly to quote gun laws "Because i have taken the gun class."
Thanks again all!,
OfficerMatt
So, I decided that after getting off work tonight that i would go to the store and get something for dinner as i usually do every couple of nights, so i grabbed my gun and drove to the Smiths. I entered the store and got a basket as usual, and was chatting to my friends who were with me. After about three minutes in the store the "security officer" came up to me and didnt even start with hello like a normal human being, but got straight to the uninformed point.
Michael Moss ("Security Guard") - "Do you have a permit for that?"
Me - "No, I do not, I am openly carrying it as is my second amendment right."
MM- "If you don't have a permit you are not allowed to carry it like that."
Me- "Well actually in the state of Utah, its legal to carry-"
MM (Rudely interrupting me)- "No, you are not allowed to carry that without a permit, i know, i have taken the classes for guns."
Me- "In the state of Utah, you can carry it without a permit as long as there is no round chambered."
MM- "No, thats not true, you need to go put it in your car."
Me- Okay well ill happily put it in my vehicle, and we can either get an officer on the phone or here to explain to you Utah open carry laws.
MM- "Well i don't think we need to get an officer here but yes you should put it in your car."
So i decided it would be best to be a nice guy and put my firearm in my vehicle. Upon returning to the inside of the store, i asked the clerk (which i see almost every night i am there while i am openly carrying) to please get me a piece of paper and pen so that i might get the "security officers" information.
I walked back over to the "security guard" and asked him for his name and then continued to talk to him after he got off the phone with SLCPD dispatch.
Me -"So did you get the correct information from dispatch?"
MM (Ignoring what i asked)- "I'm not trying to cause any problems im just trying to keep people safe."
Me- "So am I. In the state of Utah the laws for openly carrying a firearm WITHOUT a permit, is that there must NOT be a round in the chamber."
MM- "Actually i thought that the laws said that it has to be three actions from use."
Me- "No, In the state of Utah (*sigh* this is getting ridiculous) you can openly carry a firearm WITHOUT a permit as long as there is no round in the chamber. In order to have a round in the chamber and be openly carrying, you would need a permit. I am trying to keep other people safe as well as myself, that is why i openly carry, as is my second amendment right."
MM- "Okay well I'm just going to speak to the officer and find out for sure, and i will let you know if you are still here."
Me- "Okay, thank you."
I then continued doing my shopping for about another fifteen minutes and when i walked past him while leaving the store, i heard him speaking to the officer on the phone.
It was slightly shocking that after shopping there for who knows how long since i started openly carrying without any problems or even a question, that this happened. But I'm curious if we should send an e-mail or phone call to the manager at that store and speak to him/her about this, as i do not want it to happen again, or i will take my business elsewhere.
I humbly ask the veterans of our group to bestow your great knowledge upon me lol, i would love to have a bunch of us shop there while openly carrying. I do however look forward to hearing some advice.
Next time i will make sure to have a copy of the open carry laws printed out so that the people who DON'T know the right information and make an ass out of themselves trying while failing horribly to quote gun laws "Because i have taken the gun class."
Thanks again all!,
OfficerMatt