'Hell no' right back at you, Seattle Times

[sudden valley gunner]

Ummm no that is propagand history, that the media and socialist educators love to spread.

He only claimed to have a list of 57. He named around a 100 loyalty risks. That's different than claiming communism. The truth of the matter were the many of the people he targeted were communist and were spies. They had infiltrated the government up to the highest levels. The Soviet cables proved this. He did not go after Actors and the only people in "fear" were communist in the government. And the only thing they had to fear was being fired from a government job.

And how did Soviets get nuclear technology? Oh yea spies in government positions.

I like how Hubert Humphrey put it "McCarthy's real threat to American democracy [was] the fact that he has immobilized the liberal movement."

Let's remember Edward R. Murrow, was a freind of a Soviet spy, Laurence Duggan.

1953 columnist Jack Anderson wrote: "We had used up almost our entire bag of tricks against McCarthy, without marked effect.". (Italics mine)

Why? Because he was not guilty of anything but ******* off Soviet sympathizers in our progressive government.

Edit: He was a very popular senator amongst U.S. citizens at the time.

 

[Tawnos]

"Loyalty risks", that pretty much sums up everything that is wrong with McCarthy and the thought he espoused. Guess what, you are a "loyalty risk." Why? Well, you own firearms. That puts the government at risk, as you could possibly be a subversive. The fact is, communism should be allowed to compete in the marketplace of ideas just as any other economic or political or social philosophy. Rather than holding public trials, accusing hundreds and finding only a small percentage of that who were actually subversive, etc, many better tactics could have been employed. E.g. segregating and feeding out some false information then using our counter intelligence to see which false intel made it back.

Instead, you have McCarthy, who dominated public discourse over a period of time, eventually alienating those very people who found him popular when he started.

 

[amlevin]

Guess what, you are a "loyalty risk." Why? Well, you own firearms. That puts the government at risk, as you could possibly be a subversive.

Nah! The Government is protected. Haven't you read the Smith Act as recodified in 1948?

http://law.jrank.org/pages/10334/Smith-Act.html

 

[sudden valley gunner]

"Loyalty risks", that pretty much sums up everything that is wrong with McCarthy and the thought he espoused. Guess what, you are a "loyalty risk." Why? Well, you own firearms. That puts the government at risk, as you could possibly be a subversive. The fact is, communism should be allowed to compete in the marketplace of ideas just as any other economic or political or social philosophy. Rather than holding public trials, accusing hundreds and finding only a small percentage of that who were actually subversive, etc, many better tactics could have been employed. E.g. segregating and feeding out some false information then using our counter intelligence to see which false intel made it back.

Instead, you have McCarthy, who dominated public discourse over a period of time, eventually alienating those very people who found him popular when he started.

He only dominated because of the mass hysteria and demonization of the opposing party. Cite the public trials he held? He was held on public trial after trial and he was exonerated each time.

He only had a list of 57. But I guess you'd take the stand FDR had, when told Alger Hiss was a Soviet spy (later proved by the Soviet Cables) he told them to go F' themself. If someone had not outed the Soviet Spies I wonder if the Soviet Union would have ever fallen. Yes communism can compete Soviet spies shouldn't be in our government.

I didn't say I agree with the risks comment, but again you guys had misstated history by saying he said there was 120 soviet spies, just not true. So is the mass propaganda against McCarthy.

I want to get rid of Police who misuse their powers and those who lie. I get attacked by those who think I am 'anti' cop. Hmmm guess I can sympathize with the those painted as something they are not.

They did do what you are saying, had letters proving who were spies, the democrats in power where ignoring it.

 

[Kryteon]

I support a Ban

LAS VEGAS — This morning’s Seattle Times editorial “Toning down our loaded debate about guns” argues that firearms owners who had nothing to do with the despicable shooting in Tucson should yield on a proposal to ban extended capacity ammunition magazines.
The Times editorial, supporting legislation introduced Tuesday (H.R 308), essentially demonizes these citizens — tens of thousands of whom reside in the Evergreen State, including a fair number who are here in Las Vegas at the annual SHOT Show — as “hell no” obstructionists. Well, since the Times is okay with using street vernacular, you’re damned right they are, and what’s more, they ought to be.


http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/hell-no-right-back-at-you-seattle-times

Or try this:

http://tinyurl.com/4nzajly

I would support legislation limiting any article printed by the Seattle Times Editorial Board to 10 words. After all, why would anyone need more than 10 words to get their point accross?

Okay, so I used more than 10 words. I would amend the legislation to exclude bloggers and the military.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

 

[amlevin]

I would support legislation limiting any article printed by the Seattle Times Editorial Board to 10 words. After all, why would anyone need more than 10 words to get their point accross?

Okay, so I used more than 10 words. I would amend the legislation to exclude bloggers and the military.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

When you get that done, then go for Politicians.

 

[oneeyeross]

The whole thing about clips and magazines and sarcasm reminds me of when I had freshman comp. I was an older student (early 30s) when I finally took it (GI bill). I was totally amazed at the lack of understanding in the younger students.

We read Swift's "A Modest Proposal" and had young people thinking he was serious.
http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

We read Thoreau's "Battle of the Ants" and people though he was glorifying war.
http://www.resources-teachers.com/lessons/short-stories/a-battle-of-the-ants.html

People are no longer taught irony, sarcasm, allegory or critical thinking. Makes me cringe for the future of our nation.

"A general State education is a mere contrivance for moulding people to be exactly like one another; and as the mould in which it casts them is that which pleases the dominant power in the government, whether this be a monarch, an aristocracy, or a majority of the existing generation; in proportion as it is efficient and successful, it establishes a despotism over the mind, leading by a natural tendency to one over the body." John Stuart Mill

 

[amlevin]

The whole thing about clips and magazines

I don't care what anyone calls it as long as it fits my firearm(s) and holds lots of cartridges.

Now for the next "discussion". Does a gun hold "bullets" or "cartridges"? How many times do we read articles that say "the gunman had a pistol that held xx bullets." or "when police arrested him he his pockets contained xx bullets".

 

[Tawnos]

I don't care what anyone calls it as long as it fits my firearm(s) and holds lots of cartridges.

Now for the next "discussion". Does a gun hold "bullets" or "cartridges"? How many times do we read articles that say "the gunman had a pistol that held xx bullets." or "when police arrested him he his pockets contained xx bullets".

At least in that case they're usually right - they probably did have xx bullets in their pockets. Sure, the bullets were attached to a primered case that had powder in it, but they had that many bullets. Same when they have xx bullets in a magazine. However, when they say xx bullets in a clip, there are just levels of failure there that go beyond the standard.

 

[Dain Bramage]

Sarcasm is lost online without the sarcasm tag (~)

My sarcasm tag was itchy, so I tore it off. Can't find it now.

And yes, I am against government limitation of all cartridge holding/feeding devices. I think The Seattle Times just uses "clips" because it sounds punky. To add more snappy patter, The Times will be calling guns "heaters" and saying "twenty-three skidoo" a lot.

 

[BigRed]

seriously?

/facepalm

what does /facepalm mean. and snipe.

 

[amlevin]

what does /facepalm mean. and snipe.

Basically this:

For a smaller version there's this: