Hi new to open carry

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estcrh wrote:

barf wrote:

Your advice to the OP sucks. You basically say that you don't care about your rights and take whatever the police tell you as gospel. I think you need a refresher course on the constitution of the state of Louisiana.

Care to reply to any of the things I pointed out in your previous post that make no sense, or are you going to reply with more nonsense?

Why dont you answer me????...do you open carry down Bourbon st.????..

Sure, I'll reply to your questions. Will you have the guts to reply to mine?

I stated that I open carry in the Quarter, which I do. My almost daily strolls are through the French Market and surrounding area. Since I don't frequent the establishments on Bourbon Street while OCing, I don't OC there. I don't OC to simply make a point - it's part of my everyday life.

Still waiting for your reply, estcrh.

 

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XD-GEM wrote:

Hey folks, I've met estrch before in person.  Please forgive him his brusqueness, but he HAS, in fact, had a bit of a difficult time with the NOPD in the French Quarter.  I attended a citizen/NOPD meeting with him where the lieutenant in charge voiced his displeasure with OC, even as he aknowledged its being a legal right.  Not long after that meeting, a very popular Quarter bartender was killed by armed robbers not far from estrch's home.  She was killed because they thought she was "dissing" them.

If you go searching for estrch's posts, you'll find it all on here somewhere.

I do have to wonder about his idea that having a CHP helps with the police, though.  Is it because they feel that if you pass a background check that you are OK?

XD-GEM I was giving advise to someone who was asking a question...I believe the original poster was not trying to be the next court test case...my advise was given in order to cover all eventualities including...entering a school zone while open carrying....do you keep your gun in the open or cover it?...and if you do actually have to use your gun...even if you have the right to open carry the police do have a right to ask you to prove that you are able to own a gun in the first place once you use your gun in self defense and they have the right to find out if your gun is legal and not stolen or used in a previous crime( felons and other people convicted of certain crimes can not own a gun)

Just like when you are stopped for a traffic violation the police will ask for certain proofs that they can not just ask for otherwise (license, registration, insurance) Having a concealed permit shows that you are legal to own a gun in the first place and having your guns receipt shows that you own the gun. My advise could help someone deal with certain problems which might come up while open carrying thats all...take it or leave it.

 

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barf wrote:

estcrh wrote:

When you encourage someone to show papers (extra legal) i.e. permit and receipt for a gun (are you serious?) for an obviously protected right that requires no "legal opinion" from an attorney, you become part of the problem. Can't believe what I am reading. You could carry an unabridged code book with you for that matter - the street is NOT the place to debate legalities.

If someone does not have the knowledge or confidence to handle a terry stop in a municipality known to be aggressively anti-OC, then I suggest that they initially gain some time on the ground w/experienced OCer, hone their confidence in friendlier areas, and obviously know the laws. That is good simple logic in any event.

Learn to read....I was not encouraging someone to SHOW papers...I was encouraging them to have the papers on them....have you ever had to use your open carry gun????...well I have and I am giving someone ACTUAL information which can and will help avoid possible problems which might come up from carrying a weapon openly in L.A.

It does not matter what your rights are if the police officer asking you questions does not know or recognize your rights. How often I post here does not have anything to do with how much I know about the subject! My information is provided for the original poster and they can decide to use it or not...if anyone here has some different information feel free to post your thoughts on the subject instead of trying to attack my post....once again...I have had to use my gun to defend myself while open carrying in New Orleans..I have had to deal with the results of this first hand.

I have talked personally with the D.A.s office..the local police commander and the local officers here and I know their thoughts on the subject of citizens open carrying in New Orleans...if anyone doubts me come to the French Quarter and try to open carry here without taking the precautions I have suggested and see what happens to your RIGHT to openly carry a gun!!!!

Let's break this down:

"I was not encouraging someone to SHOW papers...I was encouraging them to have the papers on them". Uh huh - you should just HAVE them, not USE or SHOW them. Kinda defeats your stated purpose for HAVING them to SHOW to the police if something goes down.

"It does not matter what your rights are if the police officer asking you questions does not know or recognize your rights." Wrong! Your rights are not suspended because a police officer does not know or recognize your rights.

"I have talked personally with the D.A.s office..the local police commander and the local officers here and I know their thoughts on the subject of citizens open carrying in New Orleans" And? Why do I care what their THOUGHTS and OPINIONS are? Will their THOUGHTS and OPINIONS hold up in a court of law?

"if anyone doubts me come to the French Quarter and try to open carry here without taking the precautions I have suggested and see what happens to your RIGHT to openly carry a gun" I open carry in the Quarter and on Frenchman street on a daily basis. I do not carry a concealed carry permit while open carrying.

In summary, THIS ADVICE SHOULD NOT BE FOLLOWED. In my opinion, of course.

Care to answer the questions posed to you, estcrh? I'm still waiting.

 

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estcrh wrote: You won't answer because your advice is based on fear - not law, rules or policy. You have proven my point.